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78
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2-3 after 2. Sounds on the radio as if the ref crew is horrendous tonight. Missed an icing call against BC and BC immediately scores a few minutes after UMass tied the game. If they lose tonight, I will go to bed hoping this is the last game of the Toot era.
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Sharksrule04
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| 78 wrote: | | 2-3 after 2. Sounds on the radio as if the ref crew is horrendous tonight. Missed an icing call against BC and BC immediately scores a few minutes after UMass tied the game. If they lose tonight, I will go to bed hoping this is the last game of the Toot era. |
The refs have sucked tonight. Several bad calls. UMass is playing with BC and has had some good scoring chances (2 breakaways both stopped). |
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Wardy
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| Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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3-2 BC Final
They died with their boots on. |
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jjmc85
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I'm personally sick of seeing UMass lose at Conte. What's the record for most games without getting a point at a conference opponent's rink?
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tdmass
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 9:44 am Post subject: |
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I'll admit I'm a novice to hockey but listening to some of the 2 games vs
BC and looking at the stats , we clearly outplayed BC except for a few
minutes each game. I know the officiating didn't go our way as has been
the case with the BB team this year but it seems that these guys lose focus for a little while and it costs them. Is that on the coach? |
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78
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^^^^^^^^
Here is what is on the coach:
For the past several years, this team, in my opinion, has underachieved.
The level of inconsistency over the past several years has been ridiculous.
This team consistently has put up stinker games when playing opponents they should beat
The game has passed Toot by. The program needs a coach that will let the kids play.
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tdmass
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| ^^ Thanks, that's about what I figured. |
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mdogt12
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Maine just had a goal disallowed for an apparent kick in. Very similar to Guzzo's play. At least the calls are consistent. Both players were not intentionally kicking the puck. |
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bleedmaroon
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| Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2012 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| And Merrimack had an obvious icing against Maine waved off near the end of the game when they were trying to tie. You have big linesmen problems in this league that led to a goal that shouldn't have happened and Rocco Carzo getting injured this season. |
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Sharksrule04
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| tdmass wrote: | I'll admit I'm a novice to hockey but listening to some of the 2 games vs
BC and looking at the stats , we clearly outplayed BC except for a few
minutes each game. I know the officiating didn't go our way as has been
the case with the BB team this year but it seems that these guys lose focus for a little while and it costs them. Is that on the coach? |
I disagree w/ 78. I don't think that is on the coach. If a team gives up 3 goals in a short period of times w/o a timeout being called then that is on the coach. If a team gives up a goal after dominating the first 30 minutes of the game and then proceeds to suck for the next few minutes, then that is on the players.
I been watching hockey for a long time and I have seen this happen time and again to teams with less talent. As much as we hate BC we have to be honest with ourselves, they are way more talented then UMass currently is. That being said our team has the ability to work harder and use its quickness to carry the flow of the game. However when you've done that as the underdog and suddenly the favorite comes out of no where to score a cheap goal, it deflates the whole team. I actually don't blame Toot for those two games. Look at how UMass came out of the locker room each time. Toot clearly was doing his job. BC had the better goalie and better team.
That being said I was very impressed with how UMass played in the series. Could easily have been a 2-0 sweep in favor of our boys. |
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78
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^^^^^^^^
So I guess you favor Toot coming back, which means you must like the fact that the only thing consistent about his teams in the past three years as been inconsistency. If he comes back, I would expect the same thing next year. 6-8th place and out in the first round. Yay.
I am not blaming Toot when 2 or 3 goals are scored in a short period of time. I am blaming him for the overall underachievement of this team.
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Sharksrule04
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| 78 wrote: | ^^^^^^^^
So I guess you favor Toot coming back, which means you must like the fact that the only thing consistent about his teams in the past three years as been inconsistency. If he comes back, I would expect the same thing next year. 6-8th place and out in the first round. Yay.
I am not blaming Toot when 2 or 3 goals are scored in a short period of time. I am blaming him for the overall underachievement of this team. |
I am not so much saying that I am in favor of him coming back, but he has done a great job recruiting and lets be real, we are in the toughest conference in the NCAA (maybe 2nd toughest in some years). No way we are going to compete with BC, BU, Maine, and UNH for top recruits. I do have a major problem with UMass Lowell and Merrimack being better then us.
I don't know what this team needs. Think about how many players have gone pro under Toot. We have atleast a dozen guys playing AHL and above, all of which were raised under Toot. That is pretty good considering our teams past. I do get frustrated by our inconsistency but what is the solution? What amazing coaches are out there? Toot brought in Quick, Wellman, Irwin, Marcou, Pereira, Werner, and Maulden all of which were/are great players.
We went from a program who never had a winning season, to getting some great recruits and making the NCAA. I do want better and I think better is possible. I think next season could be a good one with the talent we have returning. |
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bleedmaroon
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| Sharksrule04 wrote: | | 78 wrote: | ^^^^^^^^
So I guess you favor Toot coming back, which means you must like the fact that the only thing consistent about his teams in the past three years as been inconsistency. If he comes back, I would expect the same thing next year. 6-8th place and out in the first round. Yay.
I am not blaming Toot when 2 or 3 goals are scored in a short period of time. I am blaming him for the overall underachievement of this team. |
but he has done a great job recruiting and lets be real, we are in the toughest conference in the NCAA (maybe 2nd toughest in some years). No way we are going to compete with BC, BU, Maine, and UNH for top recruits.
I don't get this. Why not?
I do have a major problem with UMass Lowell and Merrimack being better then us.
And what have they done better than us in the last 1-5 years?
I do get frustrated by our inconsistency but what is the solution?
The inconsistency has been consistent since 2000. Who is that a reflection on?
What amazing coaches are out there? Toot brought in Quick, Wellman, Irwin, Marcou, Pereira, Werner, and Maulden all of which were/are great players.
We had a chance at the guy from Merrimack, a new guy in his first year turned Lowell from a laughing stock to NCAA contenders and my favorite crutch, even a former NHLer has Western Michigan fighting for an NCAA birth in his maiden year. Quick and Pock. Wellman was run out of Minneapolis and the rest are AHL guys. Nice, but not exclusive to UMass
We went from a program who never had a winning season, to getting some great recruits and making the NCAA.
in 2006-07. Are you good with that cycle? I just think my former school, the flagship of this Commonwealth should compete with the schools you mention and can. But you have to have the support of the AD and others. The are bigger fish in the pond at UMass (Hoops and Foots) and the people making the hire decisions are preoccupied.
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Sharksrule04
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[quote="bleedmaroon"][quote="Sharksrule04"] | 78 wrote: | ^^^^^^^^
So I guess you favor Toot coming back, which means you must like the fact that the only thing consistent about his teams in the past three years as been inconsistency. If he comes back, I would expect the same thing next year. 6-8th place and out in the first round. Yay.
I am not blaming Toot when 2 or 3 goals are scored in a short period of time. I am blaming him for the overall underachievement of this team.
but he has done a great job recruiting and lets be real, we are in the toughest conference in the NCAA (maybe 2nd toughest in some years). No way we are going to compete with BC, BU, Maine, and UNH for top recruits.
I don't get this. Why not?
I do have a major problem with UMass Lowell and Merrimack being better then us.
And what have they done better than us in the last 1-5 years?
I do get frustrated by our inconsistency but what is the solution?
The inconsistency has been consistent since 2000. Who is that a reflection on?
What amazing coaches are out there? Toot brought in Quick, Wellman, Irwin, Marcou, Pereira, Werner, and Maulden all of which were/are great players.
We had a chance at the guy from Merrimack, a new guy in his first year turned Lowell from a laughing stock to NCAA contenders and my favorite crutch, even a former NHLer has Western Michigan fighting for an NCAA birth in his maiden year. Quick and Pock. Wellman was run out of Minneapolis and the rest are AHL guys. Nice, but not exclusive to UMass
We went from a program who never had a winning season, to getting some great recruits and making the NCAA.
in 2006-07. Are you good with that cycle? I just think my former school, the flagship of this Commonwealth should compete with the schools you mention and can. But you have to have the support of the AD and others. The are bigger fish in the pond at UMass (Hoops and Foots) and the people making the hire decisions are preoccupied.
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We aren't going to compete with BU, BC, etc.. because they have a ton more history then we do, and they have 2 of the best programs in the country. I am not saying we can't be on their level in the future but at this point we are not there. It would probably take a national title or a few HE titles to start matching them with recruiting.
As for the inconsistency since 2000, I'd take that over consistently being terrible every year before 2000.
Like I said I wish UMass would compete every year for a HE title and NCAA birth. I think they're closer to that now then they were before Toot.
I am not 100% against firing him, but I am fearful that firing him may not lead to a better situation and possibly a worse one.
I just get frustrated when people funnel all the blame down on him. I think he has done a decent amount for our program.[/b] |
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LS71
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The headline: Let it always be remembered in the history of UMass hockey as the playoff game it really didn't lose
| Dick Baker wrote: | On what proved to be the winning goal after UMass has tied the game late in the second, BC goaltender Parker Milner iced the puck, not slowly where some UMass player could have been expected to touch it. No icing was called, and Minuteman senior T.J. Syner was hit from behind trying to get to the puck. Again, there was no call. The puck came out to defenseman Brian Dumolin, who scored from the slot with 49 seconds remaining in the second period – a major deflator since UMass had just tied the game up, and would have had the momentum going into the third.
Frankly, I’m not a fan of whining about officials, but after you’ve watched this game for 49 years as I have, you kind of make the call in your head even before the referee does. My internal first reaction was - why wasn’t that icing? Julie Robenhymer, a reporter for Hockey Buzz.com, immediately turned to me, and said - “That was icing.”
Or as Cahoon declared in his emotional speech after the game, if it wasn’t icing, it was hitting from behind, and if it wasn’t hitting from behind than it was embellishment on Syner’s part.
On the missed icing, UMass hockey color man Brock Hines immediately screamed out on his call – “They blew it.”
Naturally Cahoon was all over the officials at the end of the period, and when he confronted one of them at the start of the third, the official just laughed in his face. |
I didn't see game 2, but I thought the refs screwed UMass in game 1 when they disallowed the goal.
I've known Dick since we were kids....he knows his stuff,
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