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rayers
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're absolutely right Floyd. I'm going to try to take your approach but it ain't gonna be easy...
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UMassFan99
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

carrierustothepromiseland wrote:
This team has talent...bottom line. Something is wrong, and they don't seem to be getting any better. Recruiting is a major part of college athletics, but coaching is just as important, just ask Charlie Weiss. Charlie recruited his ass off at Notre Dame, but he couldn't coach'em up. Something is very wrong here. I don't know how to solve the problem, but I hope we don't lose any of these kids. Freddie Riley and Terrell Vinson are the two most legit players we have had in one recruiting class in over a decade. Javorn Farrell and Sampson Carter can develop into serious A10 players. We can't afford to lose these kids. If any of them transfer, especially Vinson or Riley, then you can stick a fork in this program.


Agreed - and worried about the same thing.
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TheTuchMan
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think any of the freshmen will transfer. The only person I could see transferring is Gibbs. With the amount of playing time they are getting as freshmen, I don't think they will leave.
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xlgman
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There will be no dropoff in my support but the fact is we NEED to start to win NOW. I've said this in a couple other posts but recruiting is only going to get tougher and tougher for DK if we can't show some success / improvement the rest of this year.

And the time is now because our next group of recruits (whatever we get to complete the 2010 class and the 2011 class) are going to be making their decisions before we play a game next season. They'll be basing their decision on what they saw last year and this year. I don't know if recruits will see past our record as much as some of us can to see the longer term potential.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheTuchMan wrote:
I don't think any of the freshmen will transfer. The only person I could see transferring is Gibbs. With the amount of playing time they are getting as freshmen, I don't think they will leave.


Depends on how many players DK is pursuing. My guess is at least one other player is going to have to leave to make way for the new.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rayers wrote:
I'm going to try to take your approach but it ain't gonna be easy...


I hear ya. Believe me, it would be easy to say screw it to driving 2 1/2 hrs round trip to see these guys play, but I'm a UMass guy, and I still will. I'll buy you a beer at the next game rayers to help ease the pain. Oh wait, they don't serve beer at the Mullins - that's another thing
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Chizzle
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand that this board is a venue for us to gripe about how the season is going but I find some of the comments funny.


"We need to work on this... we need to work on that." “Fire Vince….”(which I think is ridiculous.)

I have to say, I posted some of those kinds of comments on the board but we don't know what DK is dealing with. Maybe what he is trying to do with the kids isn't registering. There are many times that a coach tells their players things and it doesn't register.... It is about EXPERIENCE! They might have no idea what DK is talking about. There a lot of inexperience players on this team. (less than 2 years with this system that hasn't been fully implemented.)

As for FTs..... a coach can't spend endless hours on free throws with their players. There are many other attributes to the game. I believe that is the individual players responsibility to makes those suckers. Obviously you set time in your practice for them but it isn't going to take up your whole practice. (as many of you know, you want to take them while you are tired to replicate a game situation.)

As for Big City's post moves on the block and his put backs around the rim..... That is repetition in the off season or in his spear time. He will get it, I am not worried.

I jump the gun on complaining about the team but we have to look at it as a coach…..

Maybe the players for this system are just inexperienced.

Ricky and Anthony are veterans but are not point guards. Anthony has no fear taking it to the rim but is out of control at times. He doesn’t do a good job of finding his teammates when defenders jump to guard him. I like Ricky, but he isn’t making the players around him better while playing the point.

That is my little rant for now.
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Merlin Samuels
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I have to say is look at Indiana. They are storming the court after a win against Minnesota. The Gophers. This is the school of Zeke Thomas, Steve Alford, Bobby Knight, Alan Henderson etc. National Title Banners, undefeated season, Big Ten championships etc. And they are storming the court for a win over Minnesota. I know we have tradition here at Mass, but we do need to have patience. Imagine being an Indiana fan and what they have grown to expect.

As a side note, every game I watch, the color guy says we have the talent to win A10 titles in the near future, and I believe it.
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uz2b-len
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kdogg8173 wrote:
We have much better talent than the record would tell you and yes we have some weak spots at the 1 and 5, but overall it's there. The glaring observation in my mind is just how out of sync they always seem to be. You can count on one hand how many open shots they get a game as a team. Ricky can shoot, Riley can shoot, and I think I can label Gurley as an average shooter. Last yr was ok for him, the first half of this yr was ok, the last 10 games or so have been brutal but I'm thinking its just (hopefully) a major cold streak.

My patience has run thin because I don't see guys, not even a little, put in positions to benefit their talents. The sets, gameplan, defense, etc is just very ugly.

Regarding our talent, every preseason source picked us to finish 13th and so we are. It's apparently not because of any new developments. I don't agree with you about our talent. Ricky Harris is the only guy on the team who's really good enough to start on a decent a10 team. The only one. Can you name one other player who would have a chance at starting on an a10 contender? And please don't say it's because DK didn't develop them. There's only four of them that even played college ball last year.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

uz2b-len wrote:
Regarding our talent, every preseason source picked us to finish 13th and so we are.


coaches and media picked us 9th. most publications had us in the 8-11 range. i can't think of 1 that had us as low as 13th.
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kdogg8173
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Len, stop making stuff up.

ESPN: 8th
Coaches and media: 9th
Collegehoopsnet: 11th
Lindy's: 5th
Rivals: 10th
CBS: 8th
The Sports Network (admittedly not a great basketball site): 5th
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uz2b-len
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, forget the facts. What about the rest of my argument, that none of our starters except possibly Ricky could start elsewhere in the a10. That's strictly opinion, I can't get factualized on that!

But someone picked us for 13th. Maybe it was WH.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gurley could start on a decent A10 team.
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OutlawPete
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So as I was sitting at the women's game today watching the kids and MattyG play "MattyG says" at halftime I was thinking about what my opinion is on this team now that we are at a major part of the season. When I say major I mean if we don't start winning games beginning tonight even the positive people will lose hope.

For those of you who are down on this team right now, I was wondering if the team can do anything from here on out (short of winning every game) to turn this into a good season. Or for some of you who think this has been a beneficial season growing the young players, can it get better?

My opinion is that this can still be a good season. I've been really positive with this team all season until the loss to St. Bona. the other night and I began to have some doubts. I don't want anyone fired or a change in gameplan but this team has young talent and should win games. I think we overlook the term "young talent" when discussing this team. Yes, they are young...but they have talent. It's not that they are just young. We have some great basketball players on this team and at this point they should be winning games against LaSalle, St. Bona., and Fordham (easily).

For me the answer to the question is that if we start playing a full 40 minute game, make easy shots/foul shots, and rebound, we are capable of beating a number of A-10 teams and easily make the A-10 tournament. That being said, we haven't really seen that yet so they have something to prove. After looking at the schedule the rest of the way (including tonight) I predict we go 7-4. I know I'm crazy and I'm counting on this team showing up but I think they can prove me right, or at least close.
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uz2b-len
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right, you are crazy. I'm looking at the schedule and trying to figure out where another win might come from.
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