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Quinn · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:12 pm Post subject:

Latest update is more stupidity:

* WVU wants Boise St, others less interested

* Nova bashed Temple the entire call yesterday rather than focusing on getting themselves an fBS invite

* UL/WVU don't want the exit fees rasied

* Basketball schools want exit fees raised ONLY for football schools, not basketball schools

* Commish visiting UCF but does not have authority to invite them

* BE still all over the map with what path to take. Best thing at this point is to throw in the towel.
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sleepy sheep · Senior Joined: 01 Dec 2007 Posts: 939 Location: Boston

Big East potentially losing BCS AQ in 2014 is good for UMass because we will have company outside the AQ conferences.

UMass2FBS · Sophomore Joined: 02 Jan 2010 Posts: 214

Thanks for the info Quinn-sounds like a complete Cluster F#@K going on. Interesting post by Andrea Adelson on ESPN yesterday. I will just give a summary.

She talked to BCS guru Brad Edwards. Edwards said that after 2013 the Big East is probably going to lose its AQ status. The 3 criteria are:

1. The cumulative ranking of all the teams in the conference.
2. Average ranking of the highest-ranked team each year; and
3. The number of teams ranked in the Top 25.

He said the Big East only meets the first of the 3 criteria to keep their status. He stressed that the BE needs to get, and keep teams in the Top 25, which they are not doing. Further when you look at the teams mentioned to add, (Temple, Navy, Air Force, E Carolina, Houston, UCF) none of those teams boost criteria #2 and #3 as none of them have been consistently in the top 25.

Finally, he did say that Boise would certainly help boost the conference in those 2 criteria but he said that it is likely not enough and that they would need a second Top 25 team, (which they won't get). Therefore, why would Boise move into a conference and take the risk that the conference that they are moving out of (Mountain West) will be getting AQ status. Also, when it seems that if they stay put in the MWest it will surely be the death-nail for the Big East.
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Jackman · Senior Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 1974

Unlike other conferences, you just can't trust any leaked news out of the Big East. Elsewhere, if a source tells you the conference is considering X, Y or Z, you can somewhat rely on it because those institutions are mostly on the same page. In the Big East, there are at least 5 factions:

1. USF and probably Cinci, who want to hold the Big East together.
2. UConn, Rutgers, WVU and L'ville, who would leave given the opportunity.
3. Villanova, who is interested in FBS.
4. Notre Dame.
5. The remaining basketball Catholics.

In addition, you have Villanova opposing inviting Temple, USF opposing inviting UCF, and UConn probably opposing inviting UMass.

I just don't see how anything can get done until faction #2 merges with faction #1, and that will only happen when the SEC, Big 12 and ACC are done making their moves. They can't approve the bigger exit fees they need to stabilize the core group and invite new members until the opportunities to join other conferences dry up.

UMass87 · Hall of Fame Joined: 02 Apr 2003 Posts: 7335

Were I the AD I'd be doing allI could to convince BC and UConn that the best outcome for everyone would be for all three to be in the ACC.

DEM · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:08 pm Post subject:

jjmc85 · Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:20 pm Post subject:

^Aside from the UMass fans who hate BC, BC and UMass actually seem to get along. As Jackman pointed out, BC always plays UMass home and away in every sport we both have. They could be all holier than thou in basketball and not play in the Mullins Center, but they do play there (correct me if I'm wrong but it was our choice to play our home game at the Garden last season). They signed a 2 for 1 to play us at Gillette. I think the two athletic departments have a good relationship.

UConn on the other hand, lead a law suit against BC. They both hate each other. I could be wrong, but I think if you put a gun to BC's head and said "Choose one to be in your conference: UConn or UMass" the Eagles would pick the Minutemen.
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Quinn · Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:28 am Post subject:

Quinn · Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:34 am Post subject:

The BC/Uconn situation is pure pettiness. It all stems from Uconn being on the lawsuit vs. BC when BC left for the ACC. That lawsuit is considered one of the larger jokes in that you had schools on the lawsuit take themselves off when they got the opportunity to join the ACC...yet BC isn't made at themselves now are they.

Meanwhile, it's a slamdunk if you're BC. You should WANT Uconn. You're in a conference that is primarily hundreds or thousand miles away. Yes, SU and Pitt offer a new bridge to MAryland. But if anything, a schools should WANT more attention in the region if the conference is primarily based elsewhere in the south.

Best bet for Uconn at this point is that the Big East does lose UL/WVU in which case, it is actually likely that Notre Dame joins the ACC as #15, with Uconn at #16. ACC offers more that ND wants than Big Ten does (northeast penetration, southern recruiting).
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Quinn · Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:38 pm Post subject:

UMassbball14 · Sophomore Joined: 06 Feb 2011 Posts: 129

Just in from ESPN:

Big East plans to invite Boise State, Navy and Air Force in football, and UCF in all sports.

No mention of Temple...

DEM · Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:51 pm Post subject:

Quinn, I think you're wrong regarding the Boston market. The big error in your thinking is that you are looking at whether UMass has good market penetration in Boston as an FCS team. An FCS team can't capture the Boston market or any other large market really, but if UMass can find some on-the-field success in FBS, we will get good market penetration. And if that happens, UMass would get some attention from the BCS (you yourself have mentioned in the past that UMass would be a candidate for the Big East with a successful FBS program). I agree that that won't happen now though or anytime in the next couple years (at least with regard to the ACC).