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UMass87
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| Quinn - outside of Duke, UVa, GaTech and UNC the ACC is made up of schools that are very comparable to UMass. The reason to add UMass has very little to do with whether it is competitive or not. It would be about money. Boston is the seventh largest media market in the US. The ACC is not getting penetration in that market with BC. If it wants to really capture the market (and thus much more lucrative tv contracts) it needs to create that market. Having UConn and UMass goes a way towards that goal. College sports is ALL about money today and those that can find a way to deliver the largest markets win. |
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InnervisionsUMASS
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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A 22 team league? jesus christ
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UMass87
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| Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| InnervisionsUMASS wrote: | | A 22 team league? jesus christ |
That means they're pretty immune to poaching for a while... |
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Quinn
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| UMass87 wrote: | | Quinn - outside of Duke, UVa, GaTech and UNC the ACC is made up of schools that are very comparable to UMass. The reason to add UMass has very little to do with whether it is competitive or not. It would be about money. Boston is the seventh largest media market in the US. The ACC is not getting penetration in that market with BC. If it wants to really capture the market (and thus much more lucrative tv contracts) it needs to create that market. Having UConn and UMass goes a way towards that goal. College sports is ALL about money today and those that can find a way to deliver the largest markets win. |
I admire you optimism, especially how you make Umass out to be the beacon of big business and community support. But even if UMass were to quadruple it's presence and impact in the region, wouldn't it make alot more sense for a conference such as the ACC to go south of the market they are already in in Boston, with a large state school in Uconn, and then further south into the NY/NJ market with Rutgers? Wouldn't doubling up with Syracuse and Rutgers to obtain a larger share of NYC make more sense than double (almost tripling) up in Boston, a much smaller market than NY with even less overall football viewers than NY alone, forget NJ?
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DEM
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Quinn, as a state flagship, UMass has a higher ceiling than UConn in terms of market simply because Mass is bigger than CT. Obviously, with their athletic success, UConn has done a much better job at fulfilling their potential. Rutgers, on the other hand, does have a higher ceiling than UMass with markets (again, bigger state) but is similar in that it hasn't fulfilled that potential with athletics.
In the ACC's case though, it's moot. It won't be about markets, it will be about another school not wanting competition in its sphere. |
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Some of you have brought up the idea that that the MAC may opt for the two year clause if Temple left. Maybe this will help you sleep better:
UMass future in the MAC safe
Mid-American Conference commissioner Jon Steinbrecher said the University of Massachusetts' long-term future in the league will not be affected by any potential moves by Temple. |
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UMass87
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Quinn - make no mistake - I have no illusions about UMass. The point is that BC and UConn alone are very unlikely to develop a rivalry that develops significant attention in Boston. Adding UMass makes it a more likely possibility (particularly with UMass playing at Foxboro). The point is that no league is going to get the Boston market without having both BC and UMass - the only way the Boston market starts paying enough attention to college sports is when there is a significant rivalry in a significant league with significant media coverage. It may not work but the financial benefit to the ACC in terms of capturing the Boston market probably is worth the risk. |
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Quinn
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| Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| UMass87 wrote: | | Quinn - make no mistake - I have no illusions about UMass. The point is that BC and UConn alone are very unlikely to develop a rivalry that develops significant attention in Boston. Adding UMass makes it a more likely possibility (particularly with UMass playing at Foxboro). The point is that no league is going to get the Boston market without having both BC and UMass - the only way the Boston market starts paying enough attention to college sports is when there is a significant rivalry in a significant league with significant media coverage. It may not work but the financial benefit to the ACC in terms of capturing the Boston market probably is worth the risk. |
First of all, I don't see any conference having an overwhelming desire to dominate solely the Boston market for college football. Based on the history of the sport in the state, and lack of demand, that's like saying a conference would want to dominate Wyoming for men's swimming.
The goal isn't about that single football-fanless city (in comparison), it's about broadening the market base. Uconn and BC certainly add more viewers than BC and Umass, there is no argument to be made against that. Because if a BC game is being played in the ACC, it will be on TV in boston while a Uconn (in the ACC) game is being played, it will be on throughout CT. Note that with ESPN owning the rights, that means cable. But ESPN sells the rights for games NOT on nationally to local stations via the "+" program. There is little to gain having 2 games on in MA when the football base for both schools has always been limited. But in BC and UConn, you add more market share, not just a single city like Boston with such apathy for the sport to begin with.
But again it's moot since there are so many other options that bring so much more to the table both historically and long term than UMass. Rutgers being the obvious get since an apathetic college football market in NY is no much more valuable than an apathetic market in Boston in terms of revenue production. Especially given that Rutgers also offers some level of penetration into the Philadelphia market due to the large alumni base there. Hell, just looking instate alone, removing NYC and Philadelphia from the equation, NJ has a larger population than MA by over 2 million people.
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Updates are as such:
* Temple is out of the Big East for all-sports discussion. FB powers have caved to Nova and the basketball schools. It is amazing that this silly hybrid is STILL going on, despite it's role in the Big East losing 5 schools in a football conference that has never been over 8 members at a time.
* No invites extended yet, despite flawed reports
* Exit fee likely to be voted on Monday, bump from $10 to $5
* Even at $10, schools like UL/WVU (Big 12), Uconn (ACC) expected to show willingness to pay if given invites to other conferences. Exit fees are more to protect against lateral moves like to CUSA, MWC, etc.
* Plan is still to invite:
Football only: Boise St., Air Force, Navy
All sports: UCF, SMU, Houston
* Boise St. has hesitations with schools potentially leaving for B12, etc.
* Navy has even stronger issues, even with the $10 exit fee proposal as they don't see that as fully enough to stop movement.
* Boise St. has enough power that they could require the big East schools all agree to a TV waiver rights for 10 years, so that if UL/WVU leave, they have to forfeit a decades worth of TV revenue.
* If Navy passes, Temple for football-only is expected to happen for school #12
* UCF, SMU, Houston expected to accept if/when invited
* Big East needs 2 all-sports schools to get to 8 and qualify as an FBS conference, although all 3 candidates would only accept for all-sports.
* All sports offers to 3 schools outweighs option to pass on 1 in favor of Temple/ECU for FB only because Big East wants Houston, Dallas, Orlando markets.
As for CUSA/MWC:
* If 3 CUSA schools and 2 MWC schools leave, conferences are at 9/8 for total membership.
* As FB TV money is the key, it is likely that both conferences remain small (for 9/9 division split, full 8 game schedule).
* Utah St. as #9 for MWC likely scenario.
* Not outside the realm would be CUSA replacing SMU with No. Texas to regain Dallas access, and ask UTEP to move to MWC (UNM is closer to UTEP than any CUSA school).
* Also a chance that MWC goes to 10 and CUSA to 10 with 3 new schools added.
* A scenario like that could even include something like: No. Texas and UTSA to CUSA, UTEP and Utah St. to MWC.
* Everything is still on the table at this time IFFF schools leave CUSA/MWC for Big East.
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| MV Digga wrote: | | Where does this leave us now!? |
Other than looking to rebound from a loss to UNH, and still headed to the MAC...? |
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KahunaK
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| Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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West Virginia to the Big 12 looks official. What does the Big East do now? Perhaps Hawaii will want to join. Can;'t have Temple or UMASS in that very desirable conference!  |
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