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econalum Hall of Fame

Joined: 12 Apr 2003 Posts: 2433 Location: Acton, MA
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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Nuts to the details:
1. do we make the NCAA's this year - my guess is not.
2. do we have a winning record - my guess is by 2 games.
We must measure progress, at this point, as making the big dance. In my view, we are far from it - too bad - but that is where we seem to be.
I was REALLY HOPING that D.K. would be 1. a great recruiter 2. a great game coach. To date, not so much.
My memory of 7-0 against patsies last year, and a basic collapse in A10 still rings in my ears. I am from Missouri now - show me meaningful wins, not increments. _________________ Feeling entitled is JUST a feeling... |
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DoctorJ Senior

Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 1434 Location: Western Mass.
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| UMass87 wrote: | | DoctorJ - if you want to improve your model then you need to include at least the year before and probably the year before that (which is what, I believe your coaches factor actually represents). There is also a winning percentage independent portion that you need to model - say 2500 or so fans who are relatively immune to losing. |
Agreed, more data is usually better (unless there are outliers). I just pasted the data from xlg's post and ran two or three quick regressions.
To your second point, I also did estimate the intercept in a single variable (winning percentage) regression as well. As you suggest, the intercept is 2321.76 and is significantly at 99.8% confidence level. That is one heck of a good estimate on your part.
So you could interpret that as about 2,300 people would likely show up even if the team was without a win. That is the size of the die hard base.
At some point I'll try to improve on this. If anyone has access to any other annual variables, let me know.
I'm actually interested to see how the opponent's RPI factor affects the numbers. I suppose I could try dummy variables for specific big games (home U-Game years). There are probably also weather-related effects, maybe snow cancellation days, number of t-shirt promotions, etc..
Interestingly, I did one run with the prior year's attendance as a predictor and the estimate was not significant at any reasonable level of confidence. So you could interpret that as the prior year's record not affecting the following year - so I guess you get a fresh start. _________________ Refuse To Lose!!! |
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LooneyGoon Senior
Joined: 23 Mar 2004 Posts: 969
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Total Wins 21
Conference Wins 10
Leading Scorer Putney
Leading Rebounder Hova
Number of players averaging >10 PPG 2 (Putney, Chaz)
Average Home attendance 4,001
Team PPG 72
Team Pts Allowed Per Game 66
# of 20+ point wins 3
# of 20+ point losses 2 _________________ Ball so hard |
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69MG Senior
Joined: 06 Feb 2011 Posts: 1635 Location: Western Mass
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:25 pm Post subject: Preditctions |
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| I'm going to enter my prediction after seeing them in person on Friday. I want to see Chaz, Jesse, Cady and Maxie in game action. I also want to see the intensity level, especially on defense, and see how the uptempo game looks. Not saying that Friday's outcome will be a great barometer on how the season will unfold, but I don't think I have ever come into a season with less of an idea on what the team will look like. |
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MassDynasty321 Senior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 1026 Location: St. Louis
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Total Wins- 18
Conference Wins- 9
Leading Scorer- Putney
Leading Rebounder- Sean
Number of players averaging 10 ppg- 3
Average Home attendance- 3619
Team PPG- 73
Team Pts Allowed Per Game- 71
# of 20+ point wins- 4
# of 20+ point losses- 2 |
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UMass87 Hall of Fame
Joined: 02 Apr 2003 Posts: 7330
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Preditctions |
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| 69MG wrote: | | I'm going to enter my prediction after seeing them in person on Friday... |
knowing something about them is cheating  |
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Minutemanfan Junior

Joined: 12 Apr 2003 Posts: 453 Location: planet Earth
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Total Wins 20
Conference Wins 10
Leading Scorer Jesse Morgan
Leading Rebounder Sean Carter
Number of players averaging >10 PPG 5
Average Home attendance 4,231
Team PPG 75
Team Pts Allowed Per Game 71
# of 20+ point wins 0
# of 20+ point losses 0 _________________ “We’re going to play hard for 40 minutes, get up in you, and play UMass basketball.” -- Jesse Morgan |
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uz2b-len Hall of Fame

Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 6580 Location: Deerfield, MA
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Your last two predictions would suit me fine. A 20 pt loss is a lot more painful than a 20 pt win is pleasant. _________________ Always remember that you are unique, just like everyone else. |
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eldonabe Senior
Joined: 02 Apr 2003 Posts: 1212 Location: Western MA
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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So here is a brief summary:
Category - avg ans - Hi pick - lo pick
Wins - Avg 18 Hi 21, Lo 12
NonCon Wins - Avg 9 Hi 11, Lo 6
lead Scorer (concensus Riley or Morgan)
lead Rebounder (concensus Sean Carter)
# > 10ppg - Avg 3 Hi 5 Lo 2
Att Avg - Avg 3456, Hi 4231, Lo 2700
PPG - Avg 73, Hi 77, Lo 65
PAPG - Avg 71, Hi 76, Lo 66
20pt wins - Avg 2.1, Hi 4 lo 0
20pt losses - Avg 1.8, Hi 4, Lo 0 |
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umass2msu Junior
Joined: 26 Nov 2008 Posts: 345 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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Just bringing this back to see how the early predictions are stacking up.
| umass2msu wrote: | Total Wins: 21
Conference Wins: 9
Leading Scorer: Freddie Riley
Leading Rebounder: Sean Carter
Number of Players w/ 10.0+>: 3
Average Number of Home Attendance: 2,950 (pathetic)
Team PPG: 71
Team Pts Allowed per game: 68
Number of 20+ pt win: 2
Number of 20+ pt loss: 0
I really think we should look decent with our OOC schedule, but the A-10 will prove tough again.
I think we actually have 4+ scorers over 10 until the A-10 starts, but some of the other guys will pick up the slack. |
I was right with the 11 OOC wins. I will still stay with 3+ scores. Ahh, you know what, I'm not going to change anything. I am sticking with what I said in the beginning of the year. Except, hopefully Freddie goes berserk and does become the team leading scorer and I want to encourage the team to make me look like a cynic for saying 9 conference wins. GO UMASS!! _________________ Yes I am a Minuteman!! Best 60 seconds of your life!!
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UMass87 Hall of Fame
Joined: 02 Apr 2003 Posts: 7330
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm either wrong on the total wins or wrong on the conference wins. My 20 point wins/losses are filled so there can be no more of those. My scoring average is dead on but I am way too high on opponents's average. I have four players in double digit scoring which may be good given the loss of Sampson Carter. Doesn't look like Put is going to be the lead scorer but I'm holding out hope. |
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Marty Peretz Hall of Fame
Joined: 16 Dec 2005 Posts: 2653 Location: NYC by way of the 413
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:38 am Post subject: |
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In an effort at bringing a little context/distraction to this point in the season, I'm bumping this thread. It's a fun one and next year I hope more people partake in it. Side point...not to look ahead to next year, but if we theoretically played this same schedule next year, my predictions would be as follows:
22 Wins
11 conference wins
Leading scorer: Chaz
Leading rebounder: Cady
Number of players in double figures: 4
Average Attendance: 5975
5 20 point wins
1 20 point loss
77 points a game
68 points allowed _________________ Muck Fax Page |
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UMassFan99 Senior
Joined: 09 Jan 2010 Posts: 1253
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'm still looking forward to the A-10 tourney, but I'm also pretty excited for next year. Hope the guys work as hard as they did in the off-season this past year. It will pay serious dividends if they do.
I think next year we actually end up ranked depending upon the strength of our schedule. If it was the same schedule as this year, I would think we get that Miami win, no way we lose to URI or LaSalle twice. That said:
23 Wins
12 conference wins
Leading scorer: Putney
Leading rebounder: Cady
Number of players in double figures: 4
Average Attendance: 6,100
4 20 point wins
0 20 point loss
82 points a game
71 points allowed |
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eldonabe Senior
Joined: 02 Apr 2003 Posts: 1212 Location: Western MA
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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I never really thought about it at first but this should be cut off as of the end of the REGULAR SEASON: So here are the results with the name(s) of those who hit or came closest:
20 people played - (a little low but considering I [as the host] can be such a tool on the board, I kind of expected that...) Hopefully more will play next year.
CATEGORY - RESULT - CORRECT (or closest)
WINS: 20 - (Outlaw Pete, Winslow, Minutemanfan)
CONF WINS: 9 - (7 people in total)
Lead Scorer: Williams (Chizzle, Frigidevil)
Lead Rebounder: Se Carter (Almost everyone had him)
#>10ppg: 2 (ReFuse2Lose, Philosopher)
Avg Home Attendance*: 4294 (Minutemanfan 4231, Marty Perez - 4229)
Team PPG: 75.2 (Roadtrip, Minutmanfan)
Team PAPG: 74.5 (sldrums, xlgman)
#20+pt wins: 3 (Chizzle, Umass87, LooneyGoon)
#20+pt losses: 3 (eldonabe)
A couple of observations (about this and in general):
The attendnace thing was interesting and clearly tied to success/failure of the team. Nobody went over on their guess; even with some pretty lofty guesses for win totals. Their highest attendance before the conference schedule started was 3821 and an average of 3017, but starting with Fordham they drew less than 4k only twice and averaged 5411. (I did not include the Sienna Game)
The differential in points scored/allowed was really slim at 1.3 PPG. Considering they were +10 in wins/losses you would think that the spread would be a little bigger.
In thinking back on the whole season the number of 20pt losses was a little surprising. I guessed 3 thinking they were flat out not going to be good this year, when in reality, they played pretty damn competitive and still had 3 blow out losses.
I will do this again next season and maybe I'll think of a couple more categories (open to suggestions)... thanks for playing (I really am not the jerk I portray on the board!) |
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Minutemanfan Junior

Joined: 12 Apr 2003 Posts: 453 Location: planet Earth
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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^ Yikes...4 0f 10 categories (I was one of those who picked Sean to be the leading rebounder).  _________________ “We’re going to play hard for 40 minutes, get up in you, and play UMass basketball.” -- Jesse Morgan |
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