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Regardless of how this game ends, nothing surprises me with this team anymore. Nothing.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Beat the number one team in the country on the road and then come home the next night and put up a stinker against Providence basically playing hockey for one period. They made a great effort in the third, but it should not have come down to that.
Nothing has changed over the last three years. I absolutely cannot wait until Cahoon's contract is done and he is replaced by a young coach who will let the team play.
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Berkman
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| So what was the score? |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Berkman wrote: | | So what was the score? |
5-4. Were down 4-1 after 2. It's Groundhog day with this coach and team.
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OutlawPete
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Looking forward to a new coach as well (w/ appreciation for what Toot has done), but a lot of this falls on the players. Don't overlook that. There doesn't appear to be much passion or caring year in or year out. Maybe it's the coaching, but the players shouldn't need Toot to fire them up every game.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:26 am Post subject: |
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But if a team has different players, yet the same things keep happening, doesn't that say to you that the coach might be a bigger part of the problem? Players aren't blameless, though.
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In his first year Tootie was 8-22-4 with seven Hockey East wins. They already have ten wins this season with six more to play so he's shown marked improvement, no? Plus, one more W and he'll tie his seven win HE total from that season. 
Don't know what's happened but he could sure use another season like they had back in 2006-07 when he had Jon Quick and was voted COY by the NEHWA!
Maybe before this contract is up he'll find another Quick solution and everything will be forgotten. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Swampy wrote: | In his first year Tootie was 8-22-4 with seven Hockey East wins. They already have ten wins this season with six more to play so he's shown marked improvement, no? Plus, one more W and he'll tie his seven win HE total from that season.
Don't know what's happened but he could sure use another season like they had back in 2006-07 when he had Jon Quick and was voted COY by the NEHWA!
Maybe before this contract is up he'll find another Quick solution and everything will be forgotten. |
Improvement since year 1, yes. Major issues the last three years, a bigger yes. It is painful to see what Lowell and Merrimack are doing this season. Maybe they are flashes in the pan -- I doubt it with Merrimack and I hear great things about the new Lowell coach -- but the fact that those two schools are far superior to UMass this year, is the biggest thing that sticks in my craw. It just should not be that way.
Toot might be close to thinking about retirement anyway, but if not, he is going to have to have a hell of a finish this year and a really solid season next to be in the running to continue here. The one saving grace this year is that their ability to beat the best teams has helped maintain solid interest in the program. For this, I am extremely thankful!
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^Not for nothing but the first three sentences of my post were totally tongue in cheek. I guess I should have used this  emoticon instead of this one?
The guy is very experienced, plays in the best conference in college, has a great school and facility to recruit to and has a fan base that generally shows up. He should win more consistently, period! |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Swampy wrote: | ^Not for nothing but the first three sentences of my post were totally tongue in cheek. I guess I should have used this emoticon instead of this one?
The guy is very experienced, plays in the best conference in college, has a great school and facility to recruit to and has a fan base that generally shows up. He should win more consistently, period! |
I figured they were tongue and cheek, but he really did a good job of getting this program out of the laughingstock division of Hockey East. I agree wholeheartedly with your above post!
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OutlawPete
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"But if a team has different players, yet the same things keep happening, doesn't that say to you that the coach might be a bigger part of the problem? Players aren't blameless, though."
Yes and no. That's the puzzling thing with this team. Who is more to blame? I won't disagree with anyone who says coaching and I won't disagree with anyone who says it's the players. I think the thing that drives me more to blaming the players is that the talent is there, but not the desire to win. Is it possible that every single guy Toot brings in doesn't care about winning? Does something happen when they get on campus? I don't think anybody knows.
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My theory for years has been that with men's hoops being a joke for the better part of a decade along with football being mired at the FCS level that the hockey team has been the only sport which the student body cares about. With that comes all of the trappings of being "big men on campus" (popularity, girls, etc.) and these issues tend to become more of an issue (along with professional contract aspirations) as a season drags along. Problem is this popularity status isn't because of on-ice performance or deep post season runs but instead because of the popularity vacuum in sports on campus. At BU, BC, UNH, and Maine the players and/or programs have earned their status thanks to post season runs. UML and Merrimack as hungry to establish themselves similar to the Pock-Mauldin-Quick era UMass hockey teams.
What'll be interesting is what we see in the mid-future with football's FBS jump behind an extremely outgoing coach coupled with good signs of DK resurrecting the men's hoops team, will this attitude change when the hockey team realizes that .500 records and 7th place finishes no-longer score the accolaids or girls they once did. |
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meff
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| 78 wrote: | | Improvement since year 1, yes. Major issues the last three years, a bigger yes. It is painful to see what Lowell and Merrimack are doing this season. Maybe they are flashes in the pan -- I doubt it with Merrimack and I hear great things about the new Lowell coach -- but the fact that those two schools are far superior to UMass this year, is the biggest thing that sticks in my craw. It just should not be that way. |
Lets see how Merrimack does without a stud goalie next year, yes they have scoring but the game changer there is Cannata much like Quick was at UMass. As far as Lowell goes, most of that team was recruited by Blaise not Norm - the true test for Norm is in the next few years when the team is his own. |
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| meff wrote: | | 78 wrote: | | Improvement since year 1, yes. Major issues the last three years, a bigger yes. It is painful to see what Lowell and Merrimack are doing this season. Maybe they are flashes in the pan -- I doubt it with Merrimack and I hear great things about the new Lowell coach -- but the fact that those two schools are far superior to UMass this year, is the biggest thing that sticks in my craw. It just should not be that way. |
Lets see how Merrimack does without a stud goalie next year, yes they have scoring but the game changer there is Cannata much like Quick was at UMass. As far as Lowell goes, most of that team was recruited by Blaise not Norm - the true test for Norm is in the next few years when the team is his own. |
So are you saying that if Blaise were there, they'd be a top 3 team? I don't think so. Often times players tune out coaches and we've seen it first hand here. I find it hard to believe they go from outhouse to penthouse in one season without the coach(ing change) having something to do with it. |
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meff
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| bleedmaroon wrote: | | So are you saying that if Blaise were there, they'd be a top 3 team? I don't think so. Often times players tune out coaches and we've seen it first hand here. I find it hard to believe they go from outhouse to penthouse in one season without the coach(ing change) having something to do with it. |
I didn't say that in any way shape or form. What I said is Blaise is responsible for the players who are responding well to a new coach. The test is how that new coach does recruiting his own players. Its very well known that Blaise is one of the better recuriters in college hockey. |
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