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| Who is your National Champion? |
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54% |
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| Texas |
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3% |
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| USC * (should be on probation due to Reggie Bush agent scandal) |
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19% |
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| Winner of Oklahoma vs. Florida BCS mythical N.C. game |
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12% |
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| Shared N.C. by multiple teams above (please specify) |
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6% |
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| A team that is not listed above (please specify) |
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3% |
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jjmc85
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| CrooksisRhyming wrote: | | I honestly can't believe 14 people voted for Utah so far. |
I voted for Utah. I've never seen them play as I try to spend most of my Saturdays wherever the Minutemen are playing. However, if a team can go undefeated in the Bowl Subdivision and not even have a shot at a championship, I believe that's fraud.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but going into the bowls there were only two undefeated teams, right? Both of which went undefeated in recent memory too. Yet they weren't allowed to play for a championship, nor were they last time. It's like gym class or something where all the popular kids are picked first and the unpopular kids aren't passed the ball, no matter how good they might be. Why should Utah or Boise State even bother fielding a football team? What's the point? |
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CrooksisRhyming
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| jjmc85 wrote: | | It's like gym class or something where all the popular kids are picked first and the unpopular kids aren't passed the ball, no matter how good they might be. |
It's more like a gym class where the fifth graders that consistently school second graders are not picked first.
I agree that the system is flawed, and I'm with 99.873 percent of people that believe the BCS is not the best way to choose a champion. Hopefully teams like Utah and Boise State raise enough eyebrows to make the powers that be listen. However, when you have to trudge through the SEC and/or Big 12 and end up with ONLY one loss, I understand why the current system favors those teams.
If Utah wants a piece of the action remove Weber State, and play a tough regional Big 12 or Pac 10 team to compensate for the fact that they play the Utah States of the world.
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ktabz16
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| CrooksisRhyming wrote: | | If Utah wants a piece of the action remove Weber State, and play a tough regional Big 12 or Pac 10 team to compensate for the fact that they play the Utah States of the world. |
yeah right, like a bcs conference powerhouse is going to schedule them and have their national title hopes dashed before conference play starts? |
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CrooksisRhyming
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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What do you suppose Michigan thinks of itself?
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ktabz16
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| if michigan was its usual self, utah's schedule would've been more impressive. |
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ShadesOf96and98
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| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| and Utah likely would have had a loss, rendering this discussion moot |
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CrooksisRhyming
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:13 am Post subject: |
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And if Ross Evans, TCU's kicker, made both of the sub-40 yard field goals he missed against the Utes... just as moot.
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jjmc85
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 1:43 am Post subject: |
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And if the FBS was fair, equivalently moot  |
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umassfan0299
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| ShadesOf96and98 wrote: | | and Utah likely would have had a loss, rendering this discussion moot |
Let me know when any contender from the BCS conferences agrees to go into the Big House on the very first weekend of the season to play Michigan. It won't happen. |
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| ShadesOf96and98 wrote: | | and Utah likely would have had a loss, rendering this discussion moot |
one loss vs a typical michigan team > one loss vs ole miss this year. where's the moot point? |
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MC85
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| ShadesOf96and98 wrote: | | and Utah likely would have had a loss, rendering this discussion moot |
Not necessarily. Maybe this year, just this one year, Utah truly did have the best team, there is really no way to know. They won every game they played. They beat an Alabama team who would have been playing for the national championship had they won their previous game. At 13-0 I'm not going to penalize them simply because they were not given a true chance to show good they were, instead, I gave them the benefit of the doubt and voted them number 1. |
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ShadesOf96and98
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| umassfan0299 wrote: | | Let me know when any contender from the BCS conferences agrees to go into the Big House on the very first weekend of the season to play Michigan. It won't happen. |
Do you watch college football? Texas went into Ohio State on the second week of the season the year they won the national title and the Bucks went to Austin the following year when they played in the title game.
USC hosted Ohio State in the second week of the season this year and goes to Columbus next year.
Alabama played a Clemson team ranked No. 9 to start the season for their first game this year. Granted Clemson turned out to suck, but when they scheduled the game they were the odds-on favorite to win the ACC and compete for the title.
Virginia-Tech and LSU played to open last season
there are even more examples than that...lame blanket statement on your part
| ktabz16 wrote: | | one loss vs a typical michigan team > one loss vs ole miss this year. where's the moot point? |
hahaha man, do YOU watch college football? If Utah had lost to Michigan they wouldnt have even been in the discussion for a BCS bowl, let alone a national title. You HAVE to go undefeated in a cupcake conference to have a shot at the BCS and even that isnt guaranteed. Boise State went undefeated in the WAC this year and beat Oregon and didnt make it.
if you think the comparison between Florida and Utah would simply come down to comparing the one team they lost to youre fooling yourself. the entire fundamental difference is the fact that one teams plays an SEC schedule and one team plays a Mountain West schedule.
Besides, what's your definition of a "typical Michigan team". Mississippi killed Texas Tech in the Cotton Bowl and finished ranked No. 14. A "typical Michigan team" is hardly guaranteed to be much better than that, let alone better enough than that to offset the difference between playing in the SEC and the MWC. |
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ShadesOf96and98
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| MC85 wrote: | | Not necessarily. Maybe this year, just this one year, Utah truly did have the best team, there is really no way to know. They won every game they played. They beat an Alabama team who would have been playing for the national championship had they won their previous game. At 13-0 I'm not going to penalize them simply because they were not given a true chance to show good they were, instead, I gave them the benefit of the doubt and voted them number 1. |
here's the problem with that, as ive said from the beginning. you are basically saying that Mountain West teams can go undefeated in their weak conference, win ONE game against an elite BCS team and be deserving of the national title.
meanwhile, SEC, Big 12, Pac 10, Big 10 teams have to survive playing a good conference, in SEC and Big 12 cases then play another elite team from the conference in a conference title game and THEN go play an elite BCS team in a bowl game to be deserving of a national title.
in other words, Utah basically plays a TCU, BYU and an Alabama and should deserve the title.
meanwhile, a Florida plays the usual SEC schedule with Georgia, LSU, etc., non conference games with Florida State and Miami, a conference title game against No. 1 Alabama and then a BCS bowl game against No. 1 Oklahoma. |
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ktabz16
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everything you're righting shades backs up the argument for a play-off. by your reasoning, the umass basketball team in 96 never deserved a shot at playing for the title. thank god for a playoff system right?
utah's season > oklahoma's season, they deserved a shot at the title, cupcake league or not. you can go around squaking the league strength argument all you want but imho utah can play with anyone in the country, and they proved that when they handled alabama (something no one in the sec did save florida this year).
how can you sayutah don't deserve a shot at it? |
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ShadesOf96and98
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not once in this thread have i said i dont want a playoff or that under a playoff system i dont think Utah deserves a shot at a title. i think a college football playoff very well might be the coolest thing to ever happen to sports and wholeheartedly support the idea, and like march madness some of the best stories would be teams like Utah shaking up the establishment.
this thread, however, is about who everyone thinks is the 2008 national champion under this system. my point, from the beginning, is that under this current system in this year Utah does not have a beef for being declared BCS national champion because their body of work, to use the college hoops terminology, does not stack up to Florida's, or Oklahoma's, Texas', USC's etc before the bowl games for that matter. Utah did not deserve a shot to play for the title this year and they do not deserve to be the champion now, plain and simple.
i absolutely can use the strength of league argument because that is what matters. you like college hoops...if UMass goes 30-0 in the A-10 and Big East or ACC team X, Y, or Z goes 28-2 in one of those much, much better leagues and the teams have comparable OOC schedules, what is more deserving of a No. 1 seed in the tourney?
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