KAEO: Zach Coleman

[JBUMass2011]

UMass has top 100 budget and is a high mid major. Dayton and VCU to me are P5 teams not in the P5 conference. If you invest over 1 mil to a coach, a 22 million dollar bball only practice facility and have a 9800 seat arena you operate as a bear P5 team. Half the time ppl want UMass to be taken seriously national by recruits, analysts and others. But the other half of the time a kid whose been here for 4 years and plagued by injuries should be not moved on from because he's a nice kid and looks bad cause we are "only a mid major" we aren't the big ten. You either want to be as close to 90s UMass as possible or you don't. You don't invest in the Mullins (new boards, lighting etc) and a beautiful state of the art facility to just been a middling bball program. You don't recruit a top 30 class to be a middling program. If you want to be Dayton or VCU sooner rather then later you operate that way. IMO the chances he are back are pretty damn slim, shit I think he may retire or leave by his own choice cause he wants to play. He will not get any mins here next yr.

[minutefanjsf]

No, Dayton is definitely not a mid-major and neither is VCU. The Big East, AAC and A10 conferences are a step above mid-majors. You could easily make the case that some schools within the A10 have budgets and/or facilities at a mid-major level (i.e. Davidson, Fordham, La Salle, St. Bona etc), but UMass is not one of those.

Agree to disagree, but conference affiliation is what determines if you're a mid major. No teams in the A10 or AAC for example match any of the spending the bottom feeders in the P5 schools spend.

For example:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opin ... story.html

[iwearglovesndhat]

UMass has top 100 budget and is a high mid major. Dayton and VCU to me are P5 teams not in the P5 conference. If you invest over 1 mil to a coach, a 22 million dollar bball only practice facility and have a 9800 seat arena you operate as a bear P5 team. Half the time ppl want UMass to be taken seriously national by recruits, analysts and others. But the other half of the time a kid whose been here for 4 years and plagued by injuries should be not moved on from because he's a nice kid and looks bad cause we are "only a mid major" we aren't the big ten. You either want to be as close to 90s UMass as possible or you don't. You don't invest in the Mullins (new boards, lighting etc) and a beautiful state of the art facility to just been a middling bball program. You don't recruit a top 30 class to be a middling program. If you want to be Dayton or VCU sooner rather then later you operate that way. IMO the chances he are back are pretty damn slim, shit I think he may retire or leave by his own choice cause he wants to play. He will not get any mins here next yr.

great post

[eldonabe]

UMass has top 100 budget and is a high mid major. Dayton and VCU to me are P5 teams not in the P5 conference. If you invest over 1 mil to a coach, a 22 million dollar bball only practice facility and have a 9800 seat arena you operate as a bear P5 team. Half the time ppl want UMass to be taken seriously national by recruits, analysts and others. But the other half of the time a kid whose been here for 4 years and plagued by injuries should be not moved on from because he's a nice kid and looks bad cause we are "only a mid major" we aren't the big ten. You either want to be as close to 90s UMass as possible or you don't. You don't invest in the Mullins (new boards, lighting etc) and a beautiful state of the art facility to just been a middling bball program. You don't recruit a top 30 class to be a middling program. If you want to be Dayton or VCU sooner rather then later you operate that way. IMO the chances he are back are pretty damn slim, shit I think he may retire or leave by his own choice cause he wants to play. He will not get any mins here next yr.

Welcome to Amherst/Northampton! Everyone gets a trophy, a beetle will stop a building from being erected, and all contracts should be honored to the end regardless of how much you suck at your job.


Coleman can and should have his athletic scholly removed, and Umass should "find" the financial aide package needed to cover the rest of the kid's time here so he can graduate - if he so chooses. And don't tell me that doesn't happen anywhere else because I know for a 100% true fact that it does.

[JBUMass2011]

Welcome to Amherst/Northampton! Everyone gets a trophy, a beetle will stop a building from being erected, and all contracts should be honored to the end regardless of how much you suck at your job.

James Harrison would not like Amherst then lol

Coleman can and should have his athletic scholly removed, and Umass should "find" the financial aide package needed to cover the rest of the kid's time here so he can graduate - if he so chooses. And don't tell me that doesn't happen anywhere else because I know for a 100% true fact that it does.[/quote]

I completely agree here

[minutefanjsf]

UMass has top 100 budget and is a high mid major. Dayton and VCU to me are P5 teams not in the P5 conference. If you invest over 1 mil to a coach, a 22 million dollar bball only practice facility and have a 9800 seat arena you operate as a bear P5 team. Half the time ppl want UMass to be taken seriously national by recruits, analysts and others. But the other half of the time a kid whose been here for 4 years and plagued by injuries should be not moved on from because he's a nice kid and looks bad cause we are "only a mid major" we aren't the big ten. You either want to be as close to 90s UMass as possible or you don't. You don't invest in the Mullins (new boards, lighting etc) and a beautiful state of the art facility to just been a middling bball program. You don't recruit a top 30 class to be a middling program. If you want to be Dayton or VCU sooner rather then later you operate that way. IMO the chances he are back are pretty damn slim, shit I think he may retire or leave by his own choice cause he wants to play. He will not get any mins here next yr.

My point about UMass being a mid major was as to how it functions in the pecking order with regard to over-recruiting and the reality that those in the P5 leagues are still regarded as higher on the food chain and allowed to over-recruit with less impunity, especially in injury situations. I was not saying I agree with it or even like it, but it is the reality of the situation. UConn was able to consistently over-recruit and have kids move on while a member of the AAC. The reason? They were winning. I believe there are teams that are striving to be more than mid major in mid major conferences as well. A football analogy that includes UMass is Adam Breneman. I believe too that Coleman will leave on his own accord (with help from UMass to transfer to a CAA or AE level) or that UMass will find need based or grant money not from an athletic scholarship if he still has some course work left and is unable to play.

[69MG]

As reported in another thread. Sorry that he was never truly healthy and I wish him well.

Mark Chiarelli‏ @Mark_Chiarelli 6m6 minutes ago
UMass forward Zach Coleman will transfer, per a source. He's hoping to be granted a fifth year of eligibility and play closer to home.

[chapter 11]

Best to Zach. Would be great if he left with his degree.

[NilesGold]

^ Lewis and Coleman are both graduating, which allows them to transfer without sitting out a year.

[InnervisionsUMASS]

Best of luck Zach! Hopefully your knees allow you to play your final season.

[skizz]

If Coleman is "hoping" for a 5th year of eligibility I assume that to mean he will not be graduating this yr.

[mlaconte459]

^^ my wild guess is gen may ask for a waiver to go to a D2 school because of his injuries. I don't really see a D1 program taking the risk on him

[LS71]

Best wishes for success both on and off the court to you Zach!I

[Gaber205]

If Coleman is "hoping" for a 5th year of eligibility I assume that to mean he will not be graduating this yr.

He is graduating, so he can play his 4th year of eligibility in his 5th year of school (next year). The waiver would be to get a 5th year of eligibility (in his 6th year of school) (or so I surmise from the reporting). The NCAA grants these rarely.

[fenway617]

^^
That is how I read it as well. He said after his surgery earlier this year it was worse than they though and the timeline to recover would be longer so I think he he hoping to get a medical red shirt for the 2017/18 season and play the following season. The odds are against him getting the NCAA to grant a waiver.