Game 10, 2023-24: vs Portland (DHC, 12/22)

[stevemaz]

Not sure I agree with your thoughts on Worthy and Curry this season. Both have good aspects to their game and are trying to learn how Frank wants to play in their first season. Last year many thought Keon would leave or contribute little, but he has worked hard and really improved. I see the same effort in Worthy, and Curry has a lot of natural ability that will help this team. Let them develop a little, we'll need their depth this season, and hopefully they stick around and make a nice jump from yr 1 to yr 2

I agree with letting them develop as I was down on Thompson last year. A first on this chat board.. I WAS WRONG.. I now think Thompson could make all conference eventually.

[WillHerndonFan]

Cohen would be lucky to be the next white mamba. Comparing him to Bill Laimbeer is a real stretch, IMO. Laimbeer is HOF level. The game is very different in the NBA now. Physical down low play is pretty much non existent.

It is a stretch so I’ll give you that, but in the end it matters #1 if you get an opportunity and #2 if you get drafted by the right team. Watched Laimbeer a ton in the 80s especially against the Celts and he would not be HOF if he hadn’t played with Thomas, Dumars, Rodman, , Salley, Mahorn, Microwave Johnson, etc. Good piece on a great team! If look you at Camby career NBA stats to Laimbeeer they are similar except Camby was a dominant defensive player and never played for a great team. And finally Laimbeer was the cheapest and whiniest player in the game. Thank Robert Parish providing corrective action with his beat down of Laimbeer in 1987.

[WillHerndonFan]

Not sure I agree with your thoughts on Worthy and Curry this season. Both have good aspects to their game and are trying to learn how Frank wants to play in their first season. Last year many thought Keon would leave or contribute little, but he has worked hard and really improved. I see the same effort in Worthy, and Curry has a lot of natural ability that will help this team. Let them develop a little, we'll need their depth this season, and hopefully they stick around and make a nice jump from yr 1 to yr 2

I agree with letting them develop as I was down on Thompson last year. A first on this chat board.. I WAS WRONG.. I now think Thompson could make all conference eventually.

I think Worthy and Curry could be good players for us if they stick around as both have showed glimpses of their individual talent. I just don’t think that have the mental toughness at this point that Thompson has exhibited since his freshmen year and that is why I think he, Ndjigue, Cohen, and Cross all mesh well with Frank.

[stevemaz]

Not sure I agree with your thoughts on Worthy and Curry this season. Both have good aspects to their game and are trying to learn how Frank wants to play in their first season. Last year many thought Keon would leave or contribute little, but he has worked hard and really improved. I see the same effort in Worthy, and Curry has a lot of natural ability that will help this team. Let them develop a little, we'll need their depth this season, and hopefully they stick around and make a nice jump from yr 1 to yr 2

I agree with letting them develop as I was down on Thompson last year. A first on this chat board.. I WAS WRONG.. I now think Thompson could make all conference eventually.

I think Worthy and Curry could be good players for us if they stick around as both have showed glimpses of their individual talent. I just don’t think that have the mental toughness at this point that Thompson has exhibited since his freshmen year and that is why I think he, Ndjigue, Cohen, and Cross all mesh well with Frank.

I would like to see a ranking of asst to turnovers. I think Keon would be high on that list. only 11 to's so far this year

[Jackson96]

WillHerndonFan, what did Thompson exhibit his freshman year that made him seem mentally tough but you aren’t seeing from Worthy or Curry?

Not trying to be an asshole, I am genuinely curious, and I just don’t know how from the outside, we can really judge one’s mental toughness (except in obvious cases like good players who do well in smaller markets but come to tough, bigger markets and shit their pants) — so I am wondering what you’re seeing.

I was wrong about Keon too for sure, he’s definitely played much better than I thought he would. Not sure he’s bound for an all-conference team, but would be very happy if he eventually proves me wrong there. Hoping his outside shot comes around — that’s really his biggest deficiency right now (and I thought he shot over 40% from deep in hs — shows you how much to trust high school stats.)

[nv73]

Keon is ranked 17th in the nation in assist/turnover ratio @ 3.45/1

[Floyd]

I think playing for Frank can be a tough adjustment for young players, but I think Worthy is similiar to Keon in their approach. Both are strong kids and play tough D. Keon has been in the system longer and while Keon is more of a pg, Worthy has that toughness about him too. I like the kid. Curry is a different player, different skills, but I haven't seen him sulk or hang his head at all. He'll get there, still learning how Frank wants to play. Too talented to give up on. Lucky to have them both

Jayden just blows my mind how consistent and tough he plays. Especially as a freshman. Reminds me a little of Dana Dingle in how he quietly does his role and puts up consistent numbers. Not the same game, but his approach and game smarts

I see this team slowly and consistently improving this season as they all seem to work their asses off. Good group to root for

[WillHerndonFan]

WillHerndonFan, what did Thompson exhibit his freshman year that made him seem mentally tough but you aren’t seeing from Worthy or Curry?

Not trying to be an asshole, I am genuinely curious, and I just don’t know how from the outside, we can really judge one’s mental toughness (except in obvious cases like good players who do well in smaller markets but come to tough, bigger markets and shit their pants) — so I am wondering what you’re seeing.

I was wrong about Keon too for sure, he’s definitely played much better than I thought he would. Not sure he’s bound for an all-conference team, but would be very happy if he eventually proves me wrong there. Hoping his outside shot comes around — that’s really his biggest deficiency right now (and I thought he shot over 40% from deep in hs — shows you how much to trust high school stats.)

No offense taken regarding the question. I am no clinical or sports psychologist so I can’t really say for certain the mental toughness of each player. Being a runner, I know the difference between a person who qualifies for the Boston Marathon or not is a matter of three things: #1 Training, #2 Mental Toughness or Belief, and #3 Talent. I put talent last because I know many runners with talent who will never qualify because they haven’t trained properly and/or don’t belief they will qualify with a rough patch (I.e injury, etc.). I digress here, but the point here is that Curry and Worthy are talented players, but will they work harder to get better and will they believe in themselves that they are good enough at this level. When players with talent falter early on, they can go in two direction - #1 Believe in themselves and Move forwrard or #2 Doubt themselves and play at a lower lower level based on the belief (“I am not good enough”. Curry and Worthy played well to start the year, hit a rough patch, doubted themselves( my assumption) and played below their talent. Thompson had his ups and downs last year, but bounced back quicker and not always with his scoring. Davis seems to have a more positive mindset (energy) out on the floor, but I maybe wrong.

[minutefanjsf]

WillHerndonFan, what did Thompson exhibit his freshman year that made him seem mentally tough but you aren’t seeing from Worthy or Curry?

Not trying to be an asshole, I am genuinely curious, and I just don’t know how from the outside, we can really judge one’s mental toughness (except in obvious cases like good players who do well in smaller markets but come to tough, bigger markets and shit their pants) — so I am wondering what you’re seeing.

I was wrong about Keon too for sure, he’s definitely played much better than I thought he would. Not sure he’s bound for an all-conference team, but would be very happy if he eventually proves me wrong there. Hoping his outside shot comes around — that’s really his biggest deficiency right now (and I thought he shot over 40% from deep in hs — shows you how much to trust high school stats.)

No offense taken regarding the question. I am no clinical or sports psychologist so I can’t really say for certain the mental toughness of each player. Being a runner, I know the difference between a person who qualifies for the Boston Marathon or not is a matter of three things: #1 Training, #2 Mental Toughness or Belief, and #3 Talent. I put talent last because I know many runners with talent who will never qualify because they haven’t trained properly and/or don’t belief they will qualify with a rough patch (I.e injury, etc.). I digress here, but the point here is that Curry and Worthy are talented players, but will they work harder to get better and will they believe in themselves that they are good enough at this level. When players with talent falter early on, they can go in two direction - #1 Believe in themselves and Move forwrard or #2 Doubt themselves and play at a lower lower level based on the belief (“I am not good enough”. Curry and Worthy played well to start the year, hit a rough patch, doubted themselves( my assumption) and played below their talent. Thompson had his ups and downs last year, but bounced back quicker and not always with his scoring. Davis seems to have a more positive mindset (energy) out on the floor, but I maybe wrong.

Frank is the right coach. He doesn’t let players get by on their “talent”.

[Floyd]

^ I agree. And I think he knows what he's looking for when he recruits a player, and goes after specific kinds of kids