Lamb to UMass.......Lowell
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whiterhino42
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He did before he left
The last game before Lamb left the team he played something like 26 minutes and had a really good game, had he stayed he may have played those kind of minutes the rest of the season, especially given the injuries we had at that point but he decided to walk in the middle of the season so as soon as he earned his opportunity for more playing time he left. It was a strange time to walk off the team, I could have seen him doing that earlier in the season when he was getting less than 10 a game than when he did. The fact is though, next season he wouldn't have had much of an opportunity so he'll be better off at Lowell probably being a star player for them.
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MrMiagi
I agree.
It's not like Viggiano has way better form on his jumper, a better handle, way more ability to pass the ball and make the spectacular pass, a higher basketball IQ, more court presence, etc. It's not like Viggiano is 2 or 3 years younger and still growing into his body.
Lappas has never had an eye for talent or an ability to coach an effective offense. Had Lamb been in there, he probably would have scored 12 points a game in the paint alone and compensated for the lack of rebounding coming from the 4 and 5 positions by grabbing 11 a game.
Those double digit losses would have been 8 points wins and the team would have probably been a strong bet to reach the Sweet 16.
Lamb never got any minutes at UMASS and was never given the chance to see what he could do with extended playing time.
I'm just surprised that Lamb chose a branch campus over Duke and UNC. I guess those school's couldnt' get his credits to transfer since that's such a difficult problem in an age of basketball where tons of kids transfer every year.
Michael Bradley almost transfered to UK in Louisville but some how Villanova got his credits to transfer.
It's not like Viggiano has way better form on his jumper, a better handle, way more ability to pass the ball and make the spectacular pass, a higher basketball IQ, more court presence, etc. It's not like Viggiano is 2 or 3 years younger and still growing into his body.
Lappas has never had an eye for talent or an ability to coach an effective offense. Had Lamb been in there, he probably would have scored 12 points a game in the paint alone and compensated for the lack of rebounding coming from the 4 and 5 positions by grabbing 11 a game.
Those double digit losses would have been 8 points wins and the team would have probably been a strong bet to reach the Sweet 16.
Lamb never got any minutes at UMASS and was never given the chance to see what he could do with extended playing time.
I'm just surprised that Lamb chose a branch campus over Duke and UNC. I guess those school's couldnt' get his credits to transfer since that's such a difficult problem in an age of basketball where tons of kids transfer every year.
Michael Bradley almost transfered to UK in Louisville but some how Villanova got his credits to transfer.
I agree, I thought he played well in the limited time he got. It appeared that once he realized he wasn't going to get the minutes, he lost his confidence and was a little tentative. Definitely think he had the talent to contribute, they just didn't find a role for him. Too bad, from what someone previously said, he was one of the hardest workers on the team, can't have enough of those types. Can only wish him well
Some of these comments make me want to piss in everyone's cornflakes this morning.
Is Raheim leaving a loss to the team? Yes. Is it some conspiracy that because he was recruited when Bruiser was the coach, that he was essentially run out of town? No. Sink or swim, man. I hate the fact people believe it was somehow wrong that he wasn't given more minutes.
People on this board have short memories. Raheim kicked serious ass when he did what he was good at, and that was being aggressive and taking inside scoring opportunities off the motion and in transition. When he decided to shy away from that, his production decreased and so did his minutes. The Indiana game is a perfect example. Were we running some alternative gameplan than we did the rest of the season? No. Did Lappas say to Raheim, "Gee, Raheim- I didn't really care for the leaps and bounds you made against Indiana, and I'd rather you shoot a shitload of terrible jumpshots and shy away from taking easy opportunities that are presented to you" - "I can't live with you hitting for 18 a game." No. And if you think he did, then I can't help you.
Raheim is responsible for Raheim. And when he bailed on the program halfway through the season, it was on him - and not on Lappas or anyone else. Nobody was stopping him from taking the opportunities that he had during the Indiana game. He went away from that, and his PT suffered. End of story.
Is Raheim leaving a loss to the team? Yes. Is it some conspiracy that because he was recruited when Bruiser was the coach, that he was essentially run out of town? No. Sink or swim, man. I hate the fact people believe it was somehow wrong that he wasn't given more minutes.
People on this board have short memories. Raheim kicked serious ass when he did what he was good at, and that was being aggressive and taking inside scoring opportunities off the motion and in transition. When he decided to shy away from that, his production decreased and so did his minutes. The Indiana game is a perfect example. Were we running some alternative gameplan than we did the rest of the season? No. Did Lappas say to Raheim, "Gee, Raheim- I didn't really care for the leaps and bounds you made against Indiana, and I'd rather you shoot a shitload of terrible jumpshots and shy away from taking easy opportunities that are presented to you" - "I can't live with you hitting for 18 a game." No. And if you think he did, then I can't help you.
Raheim is responsible for Raheim. And when he bailed on the program halfway through the season, it was on him - and not on Lappas or anyone else. Nobody was stopping him from taking the opportunities that he had during the Indiana game. He went away from that, and his PT suffered. End of story.
Stay away from my cereal!
I'm just pointing out that Lamb was good at a couple areas that we lacked in during the season. Miagi himself pointed this out, yet made the argument that Lappas had already given up on the season and just wanted to give the freshmen PT rather than address the areas of weakness.
I too don't like how Lamb left the team the way he did, especially so late in the season. However, best of luck to him with the Riverhawks.
I'm just pointing out that Lamb was good at a couple areas that we lacked in during the season. Miagi himself pointed this out, yet made the argument that Lappas had already given up on the season and just wanted to give the freshmen PT rather than address the areas of weakness.
I too don't like how Lamb left the team the way he did, especially so late in the season. However, best of luck to him with the Riverhawks.
Lee v Bonnies
Don't forget, Gabe didn't play against the Bonnies in Lamb's last game.
Absolutely, Rox- I have no ill will towards him and hope he hammers that league. And I agree with your post. I just have a real problem with people insinuating that Lappas didn't use him how he should have been used, or whatever. Raheim had a few brilliant games in which the gameplan was the same as always. And in those games, he played to his strengths. He had the opportunity to play to those same strengths in all of the other games, but he crawled into his shell and stopped doing what worked. That's why he lost playing time. And he didn't like it, but hey- nobody told Raheim to stop doing what worked.
How do you KNOW that? I don't know either way and, at this point, don't really care. Raheim Lamb is gone from UMass basketball and I wish him the best at Lowell Tech. The fact that he never played a game last season as well as he played aginst Indiana is a problem for which BOTH Raheim Lamb and the coaching staff are responsible. I suspect that I am just as convinced that, in fact, Lappas did tell him NOT to play as he did against IU because it didn't fit into Lappas' idea of what the offense was going to be.jj wrote:... but hey- nobody told Raheim to stop doing what worked.
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MrMiagi
I'm with you JJ. This whole thread is stupid. The bottom line is that he wasn't good enough. He was given the starters role at the start of the year and did capitalize on it.
The fact that he scored 18 or whatever vs Indiana means ZERO. A journeyman for the Sixers before AI was around scored 50 in a game and I can't even remember who the hell he was and don't think he was on the team the following season.
He's not that good and he's playing at a branch campus because of it.
If people are going to miss that kids attituded, you have to be kidding me. The kid quit, never talked with the coaches, etc. It's that kind of kid that needs to LEAVE the program.
Why would you miss him, what did he ever do? You guys all deeply miss all these kids that transfer. It's such transparent garbage. You don't miss these guys, you don't even know them.
The fact that he scored 18 or whatever vs Indiana means ZERO. A journeyman for the Sixers before AI was around scored 50 in a game and I can't even remember who the hell he was and don't think he was on the team the following season.
He's not that good and he's playing at a branch campus because of it.
If people are going to miss that kids attituded, you have to be kidding me. The kid quit, never talked with the coaches, etc. It's that kind of kid that needs to LEAVE the program.
Why would you miss him, what did he ever do? You guys all deeply miss all these kids that transfer. It's such transparent garbage. You don't miss these guys, you don't even know them.
Why, jj? Are you asserting that Steve Lappas hasn't been trying to develop a particular offense? Are you asserting that Steve Lappas doesn't require players to play specific roles in that offense? Are you asserting that Raheim Lamb's play against IU was the play Lappas wanted from Lamb in his offensive scheme?
Steve Lappas had Marcus Cox throwing up threes until he (Steve Lappas) realized it was a really bad idea - clearly Lappas was working out roles for players. Why don't you believe he might have envisioned Raheim playing a different part in the offense than that which he played against IU?
Steve Lappas had Marcus Cox throwing up threes until he (Steve Lappas) realized it was a really bad idea - clearly Lappas was working out roles for players. Why don't you believe he might have envisioned Raheim playing a different part in the offense than that which he played against IU?