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I understand what you guys are saying, but at the same time the university doesn't want to make it look like they are trying to capitalize monetarily on a really important and proud moment in a young man's life. That would kind of just perpetuate the stigma of the "greedy" university who is trying to make money off the student athlete.
Yes, I understand that every school does it, but schools like Texas A&M and LSU got a lot of crap in the media for selling a lot merchandise that was blatantly representing specific players likeness.
It's a tough spot for the school because they know they can make money off the situation but don't want to look like they are making money off the situation.
Yes, I understand that every school does it, but schools like Texas A&M and LSU got a lot of crap in the media for selling a lot merchandise that was blatantly representing specific players likeness.
It's a tough spot for the school because they know they can make money off the situation but don't want to look like they are making money off the situation.
Looking forward to the 2022 UMass Football Season (Oh boy, just jinxed that one)
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Agree. Unless DG is allowed to benefit off his likeness, it's unfair for the school to.njumass08 wrote:I understand what you guys are saying, but at the same time the university doesn't want to make it look like they are trying to capitalize monetarily on a really important and proud moment in a young man's life. That would kind of just perpetuate the stigma of the "greedy" university who is trying to make money off the student athlete.
Yes, I understand that every school does it, but schools like Texas A&M and LSU got a lot of crap in the media for selling a lot merchandise that was blatantly representing specific players likeness.
It's a tough spot for the school because they know they can make money off the situation but don't want to look like they are making money off the situation.
+1 NJ.
Ktabz, it's apples and oranges. Professional athletes are allowed to bargain and contract for such things as merchandise revenue, either collectively or individually. College players are not.
How many "generic" No. 3 jerseys did UMass sell last year? A s***-ton.
How much of that cut did Chaz Williams, the wearer of that jersey, receive? None.
But he received a free scholarship, so I guess we're square.
Ktabz, it's apples and oranges. Professional athletes are allowed to bargain and contract for such things as merchandise revenue, either collectively or individually. College players are not.
How many "generic" No. 3 jerseys did UMass sell last year? A s***-ton.
How much of that cut did Chaz Williams, the wearer of that jersey, receive? None.
But he received a free scholarship, so I guess we're square.
Be honest, ktabz, was Chaz a net winner or a net loser on the agreement to come to UMass on full scholarship for four years? Let's break it down:
BENEFITS TO CHAZ
Became a student at more prestigious university academically;
Became part of better basketball program;
Played against better competition in conference and non-conference, thereby testing himself against better caliber of competition;
Was (arguably) coached by more expert coaches for three years;
"Free" ~$50,000 yearly tuition in exchange for making all of the elements below happen.
BENEFITS TO UMASS, largely (but not entirely) due to their all-conference floor leader
Basketball program reached two NITs and NCAA, the latter for the first time since 1998;
Best three-year stretch for program since 1996-98;
Most national press and attention for university since 1996, which is "free advertising" for university;
Arguably most marketable player since Marcus Camby;
Increase in season ticket sales;
Increase in attendance;
S***ton of sales of "No. 3" jerseys last two seasons;
Success triggered bonus clauses in Derek Kellogg's contract (this is a net plus to DK, a net financial loss to UMass).
Board, please fill in more items in either column.
Seems to me both sides did pretty well, but UMass received the better end of the bargain. But maybe that's because I despise and loathe the current NCAA.
BENEFITS TO CHAZ
Became a student at more prestigious university academically;
Became part of better basketball program;
Played against better competition in conference and non-conference, thereby testing himself against better caliber of competition;
Was (arguably) coached by more expert coaches for three years;
"Free" ~$50,000 yearly tuition in exchange for making all of the elements below happen.
BENEFITS TO UMASS, largely (but not entirely) due to their all-conference floor leader
Basketball program reached two NITs and NCAA, the latter for the first time since 1998;
Best three-year stretch for program since 1996-98;
Most national press and attention for university since 1996, which is "free advertising" for university;
Arguably most marketable player since Marcus Camby;
Increase in season ticket sales;
Increase in attendance;
S***ton of sales of "No. 3" jerseys last two seasons;
Success triggered bonus clauses in Derek Kellogg's contract (this is a net plus to DK, a net financial loss to UMass).
Board, please fill in more items in either column.
Seems to me both sides did pretty well, but UMass received the better end of the bargain. But maybe that's because I despise and loathe the current NCAA.
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Without Chaz, we don't dance. Period. Dancing brings in real $$ and attention to the university.
I don't disagree with KTabz' general point, but I don't think it's accurate for Chaz. The amount of money that, say, Sampson Carter generated for the school probably does not exceed the amount of money the university invested, but that's not the case with Chaz. He was a revenue driver and selling his jersey without allowing him to see a dime from the proceeds is bullshit.
I don't disagree with KTabz' general point, but I don't think it's accurate for Chaz. The amount of money that, say, Sampson Carter generated for the school probably does not exceed the amount of money the university invested, but that's not the case with Chaz. He was a revenue driver and selling his jersey without allowing him to see a dime from the proceeds is bullshit.
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But now that Chaz is done he can sell the UMass jerseys with his autograph on them like Victor does. But I understand your point Marty.
I am torn on the situation though. I understand both sides of the argument.
But now that Chaz is done he can sell the UMass jerseys with his autograph on them like Victor does. But I understand your point Marty.
I am torn on the situation though. I understand both sides of the argument.
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Looking forward to the 2022 UMass Football Season (Oh boy, just jinxed that one)
One thing no one has factored in is how much money Chaz will be paid as a pro, either in the NBA or in Europe. Playing for UMass means he will probably get a better contract than he would have otherwise.
Most of us go to college to prepare us for a career. And we pay for it. As a grad student I went tuition free and also brought money into the universtiy. My research was a key component to my major prof renewing a $500,000 grant. True, I received a stipend, but did not receive room and board.
So, shouldn't future earnings he will receive because he played for UMass be factored in? Granted, not all bball players will go pro, but those that aren't are probably not brining in the money either.
Most of us go to college to prepare us for a career. And we pay for it. As a grad student I went tuition free and also brought money into the universtiy. My research was a key component to my major prof renewing a $500,000 grant. True, I received a stipend, but did not receive room and board.
So, shouldn't future earnings he will receive because he played for UMass be factored in? Granted, not all bball players will go pro, but those that aren't are probably not brining in the money either.
Raise the bar, do the minimum.