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Re: Pat Kelsey

Post by NilesGold » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:59 pm

pity wrote:Not sure how much stock I put in their comments/information but Parrish "was told" that one reason Kelsey had second thoughts was possible roster turnover and him not inheriting the team he thought he was getting.
LOLOLOL

As others have said, if this is true, Kelsey is the biggest fucking idiot of all college coaches. I could believe that Kelsey determined he'd have trouble connecting with and retaining the players because they could see though his phony act. But someone else made a good point, if you're a good coach you work through that shit and succeed anyway, that only matters if you wanted to make yourself look really good for 1-2 years and bolt for a new job before things had a chance to crash all around you.

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Re: Pat Kelsey

Post by Refuse2Lose83 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:42 pm

Changed his twitter bio to say: head basketball coach, winthrop
Hire Matt McCall!

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Re: Pat Kelsey

Post by capezona » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:24 pm

NilesGold wrote:
pity wrote:Not sure how much stock I put in their comments/information but Parrish "was told" that one reason Kelsey had second thoughts was possible roster turnover and him not inheriting the team he thought he was getting.
LOLOLOL

As others have said, if this is true, Kelsey is the biggest fucking idiot of all college coaches. I could believe that Kelsey determined he'd have trouble connecting with and retaining the players because they could see though his phony act. But someone else made a good point, if you're a good coach you work through that shit and succeed anyway, that only matters if you wanted to make yourself look really good for 1-2 years and bolt for a new job before things had a chance to crash all around you.
Or maybe three years and then bolt, but who would do that?

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Re: Pat Kelsey

Post by Mike0473 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 4:02 pm

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We won't get too much more out of any successful coach. I would say 5 years tops. If DK had a great offer, he would have been out the door just the same. We have to hope whoever gets hired does a great job and we will have a great selection of coaches to choose from next time.

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Re: Pat Kelsey

Post by minutefanjsf » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:31 pm

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I disagree with this line of thinking. We might land the next Mark Few. I also think conference realignment, especially as active as we are looking for a football home, could make us a more attractive job than we could imagine right now. Of course, if someone comes and gets us dancing immediately and we sustain that, we will be looking....But, I still hold out hope we can find someone like Few. If we are that successful, we might be able to offer a compensation package that would keep someone around as well.

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Re: Pat Kelsey

Post by pity » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:49 pm

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Obviously finding a coach that will stick around, a la Mark Few is an ideal scenario. However keep in mind Few was an assistant at Gonzaga for 10 years before elevating to head coach and he took over a team coming off an elite 8 appearance and 4 of the last 5 conference regular season titles (2 tourny appearances). He obviously took the program to new heights over the course of his tenure, but I don't think it's hard to argue that Gonzaga was a better job when he took over than UMass is now. It's not exactly an apples to apples situation.

A better, slightly more realistic hope would be to find someone like Archie Miller. Get someone who's going to elevate the level of the program and may someday leave, but will wait around for the perfect job rather than bolting to the first power conference school who comes calling.

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Re: Pat Kelsey

Post by UMassHoops » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:11 pm

I love the fatalists who already know that Micah will bolt if he is successful. whats the stock market going to do next month? please provide us with something profitable if you know the future.

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Re: Pat Kelsey

Post by Mike0473 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 8:15 pm

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I don't think it is being a fatalist. How many times out of 100 does a coach stay at a school like Umass when a bigger job comes calling? It does happen. But, it is rare.

If we get into a better conference situation that would definitely be a big help.

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Re: Pat Kelsey

Post by umassfan.com » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:49 pm

^ The key won't really be conference as much as administration choosing to put the money up. Gonzaga does it. Money and wins is what matters. If our next coach gets us to top 25 and NCAA a couple years the administration needs to be ready to pay out. When you think about the cost of running a program like it is now vs when we are selling out most of our home games it is clear. The cost of paying a coach 2.5 million vs 1 million is less than just the added ticket sales from 4000 a home game to 8000. This doesn't even include advertising, tv revenue, and merchandising. If we can get a coach who can deliver these type of results the administration can keep them if they want. 2.5million + say 1million in performance bonuses would be enough to keep pretty much any coach here. It would in essence, equal what Texas gave Smart and it is a choice. We are a big enough University to support that level of pay. The question is will we if we get the coach, or will we let the programs next great coach slip away like Calapari. Would Cal have stayed if the administratiom went big to 2.5mil +1? If they had and he stayed would it have paid for itself even if we had to up it to 6mil now? Probably. I bet Kentucky males at least 10million a year more than us in advertising in their stadium alone.
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Re: Pat Kelsey

Post by TheOFFSeason » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:57 am

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Cal was gone to the NBA no matter what...that was his next move in his career.

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Re: Pat Kelsey

Post by ScottieB » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:13 am

Curious how the Winthrop fans feel about all of this. Has anyone seen any talk from their side at all? From what I've read he had already told his players he was leaving when the UMass job was announced, so I wonder what they think about the whole turn of events.

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Re: Pat Kelsey

Post by chapter 11 » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:29 am

The weasel announced a player transfer over the weekend. Not that I should care.

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Re: Pat Kelsey

Post by Uminuteman » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:06 am

TheOFFSeason wrote:
umassfan.com wrote:^ The key won't really be conference as much as administration choosing to put the money up. Gonzaga does it. Money and wins is what matters. If our next coach gets us to top 25 and NCAA a couple years the administration needs to be ready to pay out. When you think about the cost of running a program like it is now vs when we are selling out most of our home games it is clear. The cost of paying a coach 2.5 million vs 1 million is less than just the added ticket sales from 4000 a home game to 8000. This doesn't even include advertising, tv revenue, and merchandising. If we can get a coach who can deliver these type of results the administration can keep them if they want. 2.5million + say 1million in performance bonuses would be enough to keep pretty much any coach here. It would in essence, equal what Texas gave Smart and it is a choice. We are a big enough University to support that level of pay. The question is will we if we get the coach, or will we let the programs next great coach slip away like Calapari. Would Cal have stayed if the administratiom went big to 2.5mil +1? If they had and he stayed would it have paid for itself even if we had to up it to 6mil now? Probably. I bet Kentucky males at least 10million a year more than us in advertising in their stadium alone.
Cal was gone to the NBA no matter what...that was his next move in his career.
Cal made $3 million a year on that contract in 1997. Nobody was paying anything close to that then in college. UMass couldn't have afforded it even if they wanted too.

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Re: Pat Kelsey

Post by MJatUM » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:40 am

$3M in 1997 is like a $1B now. Back in my day you could buy a candy bar for a nickel.

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Re: Pat Kelsey

Post by Berkman » Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:44 am

^

And a bag of chips and a coke/pepsi for a few more items.

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