Game 15, 2024-25: Richmond (1/4/25)

[NilesGold]

Yes. That is his value. When no is scoring and Jayden won’t/can’t he will be replaced by someone who has a stronger offensive game.

And who should replace him in the lineup? Who provides more offensive value at that 3 spot?

Going to a three guard lineup with Sool, Curry, and Nate. Or go big and have Rivera (or another stretch guy) at the 3. The turnovers are the issue, especially the timing and nature of them. When he doesn’t turn it over, he stays in. If he isn’t scoring he can’t turn it over. It’s that straightforward.

Nate G. was yanked after he committed an atrocious turnover, and he's shooting 31% from the field this season. Rivera and Watson are too slow to defend at the 3. Not sure about Foster, I could conceivably see him as a better option purely from an offensive standpoint, but you lose way too much in other aspects to make it a worthwhile tradeoff. Agree to disagree I guess, I think Jayden is our best option at the 3.

[minutefanjsf]

I agree. My point was about this one game where he was way off. He will get the links share of the minutes. We do not have one player who is head and shoulders above others at the three. They all have weaknesses. If those weaknesses are being taken advantage of by the opposition as they were with Jayden vs Richmond Frank has to look for a better answer.

[TheOFFSeason]

I agree. My point was about this one game where he was way off. He will get the links share of the minutes. We do not have one player who is head and shoulders above others at the three. They all have weaknesses. If those weaknesses are being taken advantage of by the opposition as they were with Jayden vs Richmond Frank has to look for a better answer.

It’s interesting to me that you feel he was a weakness vs Richmond where he was 3 for 3 from the field and 5 for 5 from the line…all of those baskets were created from a hustle play on his part. He was also the only one on the perimeter on defense who looked like he understood the scouting report on what UR runs, which is more difficult to understand than most teams we play.
I agree he made 3 turnovers and 2 of them looked bad but that was a game he should have played almost the whole game because of perimeter defense, his ability to rebound or tip balls to others, and the fact he was making shots. Again, just my opinion

[69MG]

^^ I'm not sure we watched the same game. Yes, he had 3 turnovers and one of them was toward the end of the game and it hurt. But he was 3-3 from the field and 5-5 from the line for 11 points. He also had 4 rebounds, 2 steals and a block. I'll take that stat line from him in every game.

Nobody on this team is perfect, but I don't see many other options.

[Juice Stand]

69, I was just about to post the same thing. Are we talking about Jayden's performance in the Richmond game? It was his best shooting day of the season and he was a huge reason we got out to that early lead. If anybody wants to rag on his offense any other game, fine, he misses a lot of layups, but he was excellent against Richmond aside from some turnovers, which was a team-wide problem, not a Jayden problem.

Look at Rahsool for example. This experiment with him at PG has been a disaster. He's a turnover machine when he's trying to run the offense. 30 turnovers on the season for Rahsool leads the team, not great for a guy trying to show that he's a capable PG.

[stevemaz]

Im out on season. we will have a new coach and 15 new players next year..

[eldonabe]

All I know is that the A-10 team with the worst Non-Con record this season beat us in our building - by 8 points.


This team stinks - and today's game and landscape has passed Frank by. Oh and we are taking a significant step backward in (hoop) conference affiliation next year.

We are entering a very dark period of time for Umass Signature Sport Athletics. Many here will be dreaming to just get back to what we have endured for the last decade.

[minutefanjsf]

^^ I'm not sure we watched the same game. Yes, he had 3 turnovers and one of them was toward the end of the game and it hurt. But he was 3-3 from the field and 5-5 from the line for 11 points. He also had 4 rebounds, 2 steals and a block. I'll take that stat line from him in every game.

Nobody on this team is perfect, but I don't see many other options.

His stat line looks good, yes. His numbers this year are down from last year across the board with about the same minutes. His minutes against Richmond were on his average. The turnovers in the second half were at the worst times and the first one (in the second half) is likely what reduced his minutes for this game. I agree with the nobody is perfect part, that is why when one makes a mistake they get yanked. He filled that stat line in two spurts mostly the first five minutes of the game. I am not knocking him. When things aren’t working, or mistakes that a veteran should make are made they get pulled. Worthy is no where near a solution nor equal to Jayden. He gets yanked for similar lapses. He also is showing improvement. I am not arguing for him to get more time. I don't think the coach can have different expectations for mental mistakes and that is where I see Frank reducing minutes. I think Sool’s turnovers are more physical/athletic weakness trying to do the “right” thing, but unable. Which is a coaching failure to expect him to do those things.

[inthescoop]

Im out on season. we will have a new coach and 15 new players next year..

You have a lot more faith in Bamford than most of us

At this point, a lot of you guys are arguing over nothing. This team is really stressing us out eh

[minutefanjsf]

Im out on season. we will have a new coach and 15 new players next year..

You have a lot more faith in Bamford than most of us

At this point, a lot of you guys are arguing over nothing. This team is really stressing us out eh

maybe Bamford will be gone too?

[inthescoop]

Im out on season. we will have a new coach and 15 new players next year..

You have a lot more faith in Bamford than most of us

At this point, a lot of you guys are arguing over nothing. This team is really stressing us out eh

maybe Bamford will be gone too?

Best case scenario but you know that's not happening, we're UMass - here's to hoping! cheers

[eldonabe]

Im out on season. we will have a new coach and 15 new players next year..

You have a lot more faith in Bamford than most of us

At this point, a lot of you guys are arguing over nothing. This team is really stressing us out eh

maybe Bamford will be gone too?

If he did not leave with Don Brown, he is not leaving any time soon.


It would be unfair to give him full grief on hiring Frank. They guy coached P5 basketball and made a final 4 - he clearly knew how to coach. That said, RB did not read the tea leaves including why he left SC and where the future of College BB is pointing. Everyone knows the guy's history as a complete maniac on the sidelines. it appears to have caught many of the Am-herstians off guard, but they see it now. That is turning a lot of people off, and if RB thought he would change his tune at 60+ years old, he is an idiot. Frank is one stubborn m-fer... also see below.

I also wonder if they discussed NIL at all (RB and Frank). If I am RB and Frank says even 10% of what he has stated about NIL since he took over, I am not hiring him in the first place. Good players command good money - period, if you don't like that you are gonna attract what you have now, good kids, but marginal players and lots of losses. But you know - good kids so we should all support and fill the arena or we are bad fans.

[stevemaz]

All I know is that the A-10 team with the worst Non-Con record this season beat us in our building - by 8 points.


This team stinks - and today's game and landscape has passed Frank by. Oh and we are taking a significant step backward in (hoop) conference affiliation next year.

We are entering a very dark period of time for Umass Signature Sport Athletics. Many here will be dreaming to just get back to what we have endured for the last decade.

Football going to a bowl game next year and will win Mac in 2 or 3 years.. They may win mac next year

Hoops will regroup..just gotta hire the right coach..FM has approached this all wrong as a non P5. You need shooters who may be less athletic. give me three 6' 6" to 6' 8" Europeans..

[eldonabe]

All I know is that the A-10 team with the worst Non-Con record this season beat us in our building - by 8 points.


This team stinks - and today's game and landscape has passed Frank by. Oh and we are taking a significant step backward in (hoop) conference affiliation next year.

We are entering a very dark period of time for Umass Signature Sport Athletics. Many here will be dreaming to just get back to what we have endured for the last decade.

Football going to a bowl game next year and will win Mac in 2 or 3 years.. They may win mac next year

Hoops will regroup..just gotta hire the right coach..FM has approached this all wrong as a non P5. You need shooters who may be less athletic. give me three 6' 6" to 6' 8" Europeans..

Very aspirational Ryan... er I mean Stevemaz

[amyz25]

bad teams just find a way to lose. Finally a game where Curry, Diggins and Ndjigue all shot well, on 3s and FTs, but 9 turnovers by them, several that just looked like lack of attention. DHS has great heart, but his 1 for 6 from the field and 1 for 4 on FTs (2 of which were front end of 1-and-1s) hurt. Perhaps desparate tries to right the ship, but they didn't work.
Team finally shot pretty well, but the defense stunk and getting nothing from the center position will lose except against very weak teams, and there are none left on the schedule. I'm with most of the posters here in being fine with anyone and everyone leaving after this season, including the coach.

DHS is coming back from a broken hand. He had three double doubles before he broke it. He was playing really well. Give him some credit. Missing 5 games , not being able to shoot in practice has really set him back but he needs to be out there playing and shooting to get back to where he was .