Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by kd68 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:28 pm

Young team. Hope they learn from this loss.

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by TruBluMaroon » Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:29 pm

TheInsider wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:27 pm While there were questionable decisions... 37% from the floor and 40% from the line lost this game.. sometimes it's that simple.
Throwing the ball directly out of bounds twice in OT didn’t help…
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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by kfowgs » Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:30 pm

Several questionable coaching moves. But they lost the game on the free throw line

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by Jackson96 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:32 pm

Welp, deserved to lose that one. Free throws obviously the big difference - anything better than 40 percent would have won the game in regulation - but also didn’t love the coaching in the second half - lineups, defense (Mack got whatever he wanted and they got a ton of open threes), and key offensive sets were all a bit questionable.

Give Harvard credit though. Mack was the best player on the floor, they were physical on defense and gave us nothing easy, and they figured some things out offensively in the second half.

Still should have won but deserved to lose.
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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by inthescoop » Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:37 pm

Jackson96 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:32 pm Welp, deserved to lose that one. Free throws obviously the big difference - anything better than 40 percent would have won the game in regulation - but also didn’t love the coaching in the second half - lineups, defense (Mack got whatever he wanted and they got a ton of open threes), and key offensive sets were all a bit questionable.

Give Harvard credit though. Mack was the best player on the floor, they were physical on defense and gave us nothing easy, and they figured some things out offensively in the second half.

Still should have won but deserved to lose.
Agree, Mack was absolutely the best player on the court tonight and he’s a freshman - what a find by Tommy Amaker
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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by palm14 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:40 pm

inthescoop wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:25 pm Why did we not call a timeout when Keon had the ball at the corner of the 3 point line with no chance of scoring with 4 seconds left. Why didn’t we call a time out at all in the last possession? Got ultimate DK flashbacks there.
The DK flashback where he didn't call a timeout before the last possession against Harvard and Sampson Carter buried a 3 to win on ESPN that kick-started a run to the NIT Final Four and a trip to the NCAA the following season?

Considering these other coaches can't even get us to the f**king CBI, I'd love a psychologist to study why this board is still obsessed with taking shots at Kellogg at any and every turn.

Anyway. Other than OT I thought the team played well tonight. There is something there with this group. But I would have liked to see us pull this game out. Until we win games like this, we're not going to turn that corner.

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by inthescoop » Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:41 pm

palm14 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:40 pm
inthescoop wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:25 pm Why did we not call a timeout when Keon had the ball at the corner of the 3 point line with no chance of scoring with 4 seconds left. Why didn’t we call a time out at all in the last possession? Got ultimate DK flashbacks there.
The DK flashback where he didn't call a timeout before the last possession against Harvard and Sampson Carter buried a 3 to win on ESPN that kick-started a run to the NIT Final Four and a trip to the NCAA the following season?

Considering these other coaches can't even get us to the f**king CBI, I'd love a psychologist to study why this board is still obsessed with taking shots at Kellogg at any and every turn.

Anyway. Other than OT I thought the team played well tonight. There is something there with this group. But I would have liked to see us pull this game out. Until we win games like this, we're not going to turn that corner.
Lol that is the only time I have ever taken a shot at DK here and it was more for a laugh than anything.. yikes. I was thinking more UMass vs Temple when Chaz lost his dribble and we didn’t even get a shot up. Don’t think anyone’s obsessed either. :lol:

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by kfowgs » Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:55 pm

Can we learn the dimensions of the basketball court . 🤔

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by MakeMullinsGreatAgain » Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:27 pm

absolutely no way there was only 3700 people there

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by GOODY » Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:28 pm

Poor free throws, doesn’t matter ! Find a way ! Shouldn’t be losing to Harvard !

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by WillHerndonFan » Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:36 pm

I want to start of on a positive note by saying that it was a great game by both teams for 35 minutes of the game. Player of the game for both teams was Matt Cross as he defines selflessness in all ways and plays like every game is his last. He almost put up A Julius Erving 20 rebound game. That being said, it seemed the team went sideways with Jaylen Curry at the point as his style to bring up the ball slow, dribble too much, not make the timely pass, and then take low percentage shot happened way too much at the end. Some players play better than their game (as many did under Calipari) and some players think they play better than their game (which is Curry). Frank’s biggest mistake was let Curry run the offense at that point in the game. Case in point was the last play in overtime where he took his time bringing it up and then waited to take the last shot to be the hero. Yes. We missed a ton of free throws and not having Hankins-Sanford on the court hurt as well. But Harvard won by moving the ball on every possession with minimal dribbling. We won our first two games that way and were leading the game tonight that way. In summary, we lost our way and it cost us. Going Forward. Put the ball back in the hands of Diggins and Thompson and play Curry when he realizes his job is to facilitate first.

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by Sheck » Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:37 pm

kd68 wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:28 pm Young team. Hope they learn from this loss.
Bump in the road. It'll get better.
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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by stevemaz » Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:42 pm

WillHerndonFan wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:36 pm I want to start of on a positive note by saying that it was a great game by both teams for 35 minutes of the game. Player of the game for both teams was Matt Cross as he defines selflessness in all ways and plays like every game is his last. He almost put up A Julius Erving 20 rebound game. That being said, it seemed the team went sideways with Jaylen Curry at the point as his style to bring up the ball slow, dribble too much, not make the timely pass, and then take low percentage shot happened way too much at the end. Some players play better than their game (as many did under Calipari) and some players think they play better than their game (which is Curry). Frank’s biggest mistake was let Curry run the offense at that point in the game. Case in point was the last play in overtime where he took his time bringing it up and then waited to take the last shot to be the hero. Yes. We missed a ton of free throws and not having Hankins-Sanford on the court hurt as well. But Harvard won by moving the ball on every possession with minimal dribbling. We won our first two games that way and were leading the game tonight that way. In summary, we lost our way and it cost us. Going Forward. Put the ball back in the hands of Diggins and Thompson and play Curry when he realizes his job is to facilitate first.
yea im out on curry until further notice. would have been much better with Thompson at the pt and Davis in their at the end.

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by MakeMullinsGreatAgain » Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:01 pm

stevemaz wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:42 pm
WillHerndonFan wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:36 pm I want to start of on a positive note by saying that it was a great game by both teams for 35 minutes of the game. Player of the game for both teams was Matt Cross as he defines selflessness in all ways and plays like every game is his last. He almost put up A Julius Erving 20 rebound game. That being said, it seemed the team went sideways with Jaylen Curry at the point as his style to bring up the ball slow, dribble too much, not make the timely pass, and then take low percentage shot happened way too much at the end. Some players play better than their game (as many did under Calipari) and some players think they play better than their game (which is Curry). Frank’s biggest mistake was let Curry run the offense at that point in the game. Case in point was the last play in overtime where he took his time bringing it up and then waited to take the last shot to be the hero. Yes. We missed a ton of free throws and not having Hankins-Sanford on the court hurt as well. But Harvard won by moving the ball on every possession with minimal dribbling. We won our first two games that way and were leading the game tonight that way. In summary, we lost our way and it cost us. Going Forward. Put the ball back in the hands of Diggins and Thompson and play Curry when he realizes his job is to facilitate first.
yea im out on curry until further notice. would have been much better with Thompson at the pt and Davis in their at the end.
I've been out on Curry since the 1st game in Puerto Rico and I also expressed concern with Cohen's FT's in PR - as did others. The way he plays he needs to hit his FT's - late in games if its tight, teams are just going to foul Josh and that won't be good.

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Re: Game 3, 2023-24: Harvard (11/17)

Post by LS71 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:36 pm

Bad shooting night:

FG percentage: 37%
3-pt percentage; 25%
FT percentage: 40%

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again:

This team will win by the 3; lose by lack of the 3.
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