Cal's Shine

Used to be VOR · Post by **Used to be VOR** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:30 pm

eldonabe wrote:
Kosty wrote:Wouldn't that be a nice first round match up for the NIT......UMass AT Memphis.
Yes that would be keen. Two underacheiving teams. They would still beat Umass by 25 because of the 40 minutes of hustle.

I have seen Memphis games this year that were far from 40 minutes of hustle. They have been great some days...horrible others.

Leten55SP · Post by **Leten55SP** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:08 pm

Cal on Chaney--
"We know what John Chaney is. He coaches the right way, he does things the right way, he gets his kids into the pros, and he's a little bit crazy. He's been crazy."

I guess it never has/never will be about the education the kids get to Cal.
No facts on this, but you think about the hundreds of kids he coached, only 5 or 6 made the NBA and another dozen (maybe) played/playing in Europe.

Used to be VOR · Post by **Used to be VOR** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:16 pm

Chaney has done a world for kids aside from getting them into the pros. You can despise him if you want for a few of his public acts. But this man has done more to positively effect change than most people can dream about. And he has done it honestly.

And I am not quite sure why you chose to take the veiled shot at Cal either....

Leten55SP · Post by **Leten55SP** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:27 pm

Not quite sure your reply makes sense because I wasn't talking about Chaney, it was all about Cal's comment.

He made this comment himself on national TV, not exactly the thing you want to say to when many people assume/think you run a dirty program, and the NCAA has an eye on you.

Used to be VOR · Post by **Used to be VOR** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:45 pm

I am not sure why citing another coach for doing things the right way is any indictment on him or his program.

Leten55SP · Post by **Leten55SP** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:47 pm

Please read and re-read Cal's comment.

Used to be VOR · Post by **Used to be VOR** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:34 pm

I did....he said he does things the right way, gets his kids into the pros..etc.

These are all true statements. He has done things the right way. he has gotten kids into the pros (there are 4 Temple players that I can think of playing signiificantly in the NBA (Jackson, Brunson, Jones, McKie)). So, I am still not sure what you are trying to say.

How does complimenting another program and coach indict your program?

Please enlighten me.

local · Post by **local** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:43 pm

Leten55SP wrote:Cal on Chaney--
"We know what John Chaney is. He coaches the right way, he does things the right way, he gets his kids into the pros, and he's a little bit crazy. He's been crazy."

I guess it never has/never will be about the education the kids get to Cal.
No facts on this, but you think about the hundreds of kids he coached, only 5 or 6 made the NBA and another dozen (maybe) played/playing in Europe.

VOR I think Leten55SP is saying Cal has indicted himself because he did not mention educating the kids first. I don't agree but I think that was the point.

Used to be VOR · Post by **Used to be VOR** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:48 pm

I think "doing things the right way" is meant to encompass that.

UMass87 · Post by **UMass87** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:49 pm

leten555 has an agenda. use the "search" functionality of the site and it becomes clear.

leten555 also has reading comprehension difficulties. The part of the Cal qyote in question is:

"He coaches the right way, he does things the right way, he gets his kids into the pros, and he's a little bit crazy"

- this really shouldn't be too difficult to parse but apparently for leten555 it is. Cal makes a list of four charecteristics of Chaney. The second of these is "he does things the right way". Leten555 chooses not to accept that this might refer to eductaing student athletes.

Leten55SP · Post by **Leten55SP** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:58 pm

Used to be VOR wrote:I did....he said he does things the right way, gets his kids into the pros..etc.

These are all true statements. He has done things the right way. he has gotten kids into the pros (there are 4 Temple players that I can think of playing signiificantly in the NBA (Jackson, Brunson, Jones, McKie)). So, I am still not sure what you are trying to say.

How does complimenting another program and coach indict your program?

Please enlighten me.

There was no etc is Cals' comment is my point. I am one, of many college hoop fans, who could care less about graduation rates, or treating college basketball like its not a billion dollar business, but school presidents, Myles Brand, some student organizations, ETC., are looking at certain coaches (and Cal is definitely one of them) with low grad rates, off court troubles, and shady recruiting. I love what Cal did at UMass, but the second the NCAA came sniffing around, Cal took the first bus out of town. Cal fits the bill on all that i mentioned, he doesnt graduate many players, a player was suspended for only one game this year (for doing something very similar to that of the kid from Iowa who was thrown off the team for assaulting his girlfriend. And, I'm sure you recall when he was recruting Dejuan Wagner, he hired Wagner's dad as Dir. of B-Ball operations, which the NCAA, in fact, looked into. So, in conclusion, or to make my origianl point, which VOR had to over analyze, it is not smart to claim on National TV that "doing the right things, is to get kids into the pros," when this is not the idea of the NCAA.

Leten55SP · Post by **Leten55SP** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:02 pm

UMass87 wrote:leten555 has an agenda. use the "search" functionality of the site and it becomes clear.

leten555 also has reading comprehension difficulties. The part of the Cal qyote in question is:

"He coaches the right way, he does things the right way, he gets his kids into the pros, and he's a little bit crazy"

- this really shouldn't be too difficult to parse but apparently for leten555 it is. Cal makes a list of four charecteristics of Chaney. The second of these is "he does things the right way". Leten555 chooses not to accept that this might refer to eductaing student athletes.

Sorry, but what exactly is my agenda, isnt this a message board, where debating a subject often occurs. Furthermore, I won't accept (nor should you or anyone else)that he "might refer to educating student athletes." Why?? Because Chaney's all-time graduation rate is 18%. This INCLUDES walk-ons who take 2 out of 12 spots on a team, so if you take walk-ons out of the equation, this would definitely fall into the single digits.

Used to be VOR · Post by **Used to be VOR** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:11 pm

Leten55SP wrote:So, in conclusion, or to make my origianl point, which VOR had to over analyze, it is not smart to claim on National TV that "doing the right things, is to get kids into the pros," when this is not the idea of the NCAA.

You are misquoting, and intentionally so. He did not say doing the right things, is to get kids into the pros. He was making a list of positives about Chaney. His exact quote was "We know what John Chaney is. He coaches the right way, he does things the right way, he gets his kids into the pros, and he's a little bit crazy. He's been crazy."

His comments to anyone with half a brain means he has not had any recruiting violations, and does not "use" the kids. These are both true facts. I do not know Chaney's graduation rate, but if it only 18% for his entire career I would be surprised. He does a lot to educate the kids he coaches whether they graduate or not.

Your veiled accusations about Calipari are interesting too. He has never been found to have violated NCAA rules. Do I think he has handled some things poorly ...sure do. But the examples you cite as "having been investigated"..all those mean is somebody looked into it and cleared him.

THINK!

Leten55SP · Post by **Leten55SP** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:14 pm

Used to be VOR wrote: I do not know Chaney's graduation rate, but if it only 18% for his entire career I would be surprised.
THINK!

THIS IS A FACT

Used to be VOR · Post by **Used to be VOR** » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:16 pm

Please provide your source for that statistic...